http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/ Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:23:54 -0700 MyBB http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2453 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:21:39 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2453
is reason why not to patch hho into gas line.]]>
is reason why not to patch hho into gas line.]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2452 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:41:19 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2452 I opened the hood and loosened the B+ lug on the EFIE and pulled the wire out to shut it down with the car still running. As the wire came out it was sparking to ground like it was a spark plug wire. Jumping a gap over a half an inch with 3 to 5 sparks a second.
This let me clear the check engine light and I resumed my trip with no other problems.
My question is what caused the sparking? Could it be caused by the frequency that the PWM puts out in conjunction with the cell acting like a huge capacitor? Do you think that it destroyed the EFIE? Has anyone else had this occur?]]> I opened the hood and loosened the B+ lug on the EFIE and pulled the wire out to shut it down with the car still running. As the wire came out it was sparking to ground like it was a spark plug wire. Jumping a gap over a half an inch with 3 to 5 sparks a second.
This let me clear the check engine light and I resumed my trip with no other problems.
My question is what caused the sparking? Could it be caused by the frequency that the PWM puts out in conjunction with the cell acting like a huge capacitor? Do you think that it destroyed the EFIE? Has anyone else had this occur?]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2451 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:18:59 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2451
Firstly, I apologize for the drawing. I only have paintbrush but I think you should get the idea. The design in the drawing allows you to have 3 cells with just 2 end caps. You could extend the principle to have more cells but that would increase the size of the genorator. At the 3 cell size, you could make 2 gens and series wire them to get that magical 6 cell operation. For me it is easier to place two smaller gens under the hood than one big one. Of course, I have never made a dry cell so I don't know how hard it is to make different gasket shapes. At any rate, let me know what you think. Thanks.]]>
Firstly, I apologize for the drawing. I only have paintbrush but I think you should get the idea. The design in the drawing allows you to have 3 cells with just 2 end caps. You could extend the principle to have more cells but that would increase the size of the genorator. At the 3 cell size, you could make 2 gens and series wire them to get that magical 6 cell operation. For me it is easier to place two smaller gens under the hood than one big one. Of course, I have never made a dry cell so I don't know how hard it is to make different gasket shapes. At any rate, let me know what you think. Thanks.]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2450 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:11:32 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2450 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2449 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:53:18 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2449 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2448 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:49:25 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2448 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2447 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:59:18 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2447
I`ve started building and selling these on ebay uk.I`m confident that they work great.I`m not giving any links.This is not an advertisement.]]>
I`ve started building and selling these on ebay uk.I`m confident that they work great.I`m not giving any links.This is not an advertisement.]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2446 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:37:35 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2446 had it all on a table hooked up.
hho production looks pretty good,
but when i ran the hose into the bubbler water,
there were no bubbles.

i just dont get why it wont come out of the bubbler hose
sorry im just a noob trying to work the little stuff out before installing]]> had it all on a table hooked up.
hho production looks pretty good,
but when i ran the hose into the bubbler water,
there were no bubbles.

i just dont get why it wont come out of the bubbler hose
sorry im just a noob trying to work the little stuff out before installing]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2444 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:48:11 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2444
Greetings

I just received the following email message relative to the HHO games in Florida:

"Sid

I was at the hho games and I got the cell tested here you go. Thanx again it was the highest output at the show!

Sid Young Dry Cell

take care

Jim pardo"

More to follow.

Sid Young
27054 Carrie CT.
Mechanicsville MD 20659
240-230-3064]]>
Greetings

I just received the following email message relative to the HHO games in Florida:

"Sid

I was at the hho games and I got the cell tested here you go. Thanx again it was the highest output at the show!

Sid Young Dry Cell

take care

Jim pardo"

More to follow.

Sid Young
27054 Carrie CT.
Mechanicsville MD 20659
240-230-3064]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2443 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:05:38 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2443 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2442 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:47:14 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2442 i know everyone is going to bag on me for having water4gas type cells, but its what i have right now and i want to experiment with this before upgrading to something since i dont have the money right now.
anyways, the question is,

If i have multiple cells(3), how should they be wired?
series?
or parallel?

thanks for any imput

Grant]]> i know everyone is going to bag on me for having water4gas type cells, but its what i have right now and i want to experiment with this before upgrading to something since i dont have the money right now.
anyways, the question is,

If i have multiple cells(3), how should they be wired?
series?
or parallel?

thanks for any imput

Grant]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2441 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:39:18 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2441 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2440 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:02:52 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2440
VIDEO ]]>
VIDEO ]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2439 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:02:35 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2439 Second when testing the o2 sensor, using the efie with the red probe to black port, and black to vehicle ground I show a negative number like -45 to -50 mv is this normal?
As per the instructions then when I turn the efie off I show the above values on the plus side doe's this sound normal?
The schematic I purchased for the vehicle doe's refer to the terminology of the wiring going to these sensor's, as o2 sensors.
2007 chevy colorado 2.9 I4
o2 sensor is four wire, two black, one blue, and one white wire. The white wire is what I've determined is the signal wire, and it turns to beige/white going to the computer. I done a continuity check on this wire at the computer to verify that I had the correct wire, and here connected the white wire going to the computer, and the green wire back to the o2 sensor.
ANy help would be appreciated
Later Don]]> Second when testing the o2 sensor, using the efie with the red probe to black port, and black to vehicle ground I show a negative number like -45 to -50 mv is this normal?
As per the instructions then when I turn the efie off I show the above values on the plus side doe's this sound normal?
The schematic I purchased for the vehicle doe's refer to the terminology of the wiring going to these sensor's, as o2 sensors.
2007 chevy colorado 2.9 I4
o2 sensor is four wire, two black, one blue, and one white wire. The white wire is what I've determined is the signal wire, and it turns to beige/white going to the computer. I done a continuity check on this wire at the computer to verify that I had the correct wire, and here connected the white wire going to the computer, and the green wire back to the o2 sensor.
ANy help would be appreciated
Later Don]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2438 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:55:05 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2438
my bigest question is it best to just have + and - plats or have neutral in plats between + and - and how many?

if you guys coold help that would be sweet.:cool:]]>
my bigest question is it best to just have + and - plats or have neutral in plats between + and - and how many?

if you guys coold help that would be sweet.:cool:]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2437 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:48:38 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2437 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2436 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:38:01 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2436
And I mix at 1Tbsp/Gallon of water, how do I calculate the percent concentration?

1 Gallon = 256 Tbp- so I have 1/257= .0039- is it only .39% solution?]]>
And I mix at 1Tbsp/Gallon of water, how do I calculate the percent concentration?

1 Gallon = 256 Tbp- so I have 1/257= .0039- is it only .39% solution?]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2435 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:05:40 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2435
1. Should the spacer washers be wider?

2. Would it make any difference weither the pipe is + or - in production? Which would make the most Hydrogen?]]>
1. Should the spacer washers be wider?

2. Would it make any difference weither the pipe is + or - in production? Which would make the most Hydrogen?]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2434 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:35:57 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2434
THE FIRST MEASUREMENT IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE ELEMENT CONDUCTIVITY TABLE FROM A CHEMISTRY TEXTBOOK AND IS ".000001 OHMS OF RESISTANCE PER CENTIMETER".

THE SECOND COLUMN IS USING SILVER (Ag) AS A REFERENCE, SINCE IT IS THE BEST CONDUCTOR AT ROOM TEMPERATURE AND IS READILY AVAILABLE ALTHOUGH EXPENSIVE. SILVER IS, FOR THIS TABLE, 100% AND ALL OTHER ELEMENTS HAVE THEIR VALUES DIVIDED INTO SILVER'S VALUE - MAKING IT A "PERCENT CONDUCTANCE IN RELATION TO SILVER". NOTE HOW IRON REALLY SUCKS COMPARATIVELY, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT STAINLESS STEEL CONDUCTS RATHER WELL WHICH IS AT LEAST TWO-THIRDS IRON.

AFTER SOME ONLINE RESEARCHING, I HAVE FOUNS SOME VALUES FOR 5 DIFFERENT GRADES OF STAINLESS STEEL. IT SEEMS THE HIGHER THE Cr CONTENT, THE BETTER THE CONDUCTANCE AND RESISTIVITY TO CORROSION.

REMEMBER, THESE MEASUREMENTS ARE CALCULATED AT 20 DEGRESS CELSIUS OR 68 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT

HOPE THIS HELPS!!!!

SILVER 0.630 100 %
COPPER 0.590 93.6%
GOLD 0.452 71.7%
ALUMINUM 0.377 59.8%[/color]
BERYLLIUM 0.313 49.7%
CALCIUM 0.298 47.3%
MAGNESIUM 0.226 35.9%
RHODIUM 0.211 33.5%
SODIUM 0.210 33.3%
IRIDIUM 0.197 31.3%
[/color]
ZINC 0.166 26.3%
NICKEL 0.143 22.7%
POTASSIUM 0.139 22.1%
CADMIUM 0.138 21.9%
RUTHENIUM 0.137 21.7%
INDIUM 0.116 18.4%
OSMIUM 0.109 17.3%
PLATINUM 0.097 15.4%
PALLADIUM 0.095 15.1%
IRON 0.093 14.8%[color=#FF0000]
size]


NOTE HOW TERRIBLE OF A CONDUCTANCE THESE STAINLESS STEELS HAVE COMPARED TO SILVER AND COPPER. THE DUPLEX (2205) AND UR52N+ STAINLESS STEELS CARRY CURRENT A WHOPPING 2% BETTER THAN 316.

SOMEONE MENTIONED USING 430 SS FOR ELECTRODES, BUT CONDUCTANCE IS MUCH LOWER WITH THIS MATERIAL.

WHAT ABOUT TUNGSTEN CARBIDE??????

THIS MATERIAL, BEING RELATIVELY NEW TO THE SCENE, IS NOT USED EXTENSIVELY IN ELECTRICAL APPLICATIONS OTHER THAN CVD. IT MELTS AT 5200 F AND IS THE HARDEST METAL ALLOY IN EXISTENCE AT THIS POINT.

AFTER SOME LENGTHY RESEARACH, I HAVE A RANGE OF CONDUCTIVITY VALUES RANGING FROM 0.07 TO 0.12, WHICH TRANSLATES INTO 9.5% T0 19% CONDUCTANCE COMPARED TO SILVER. I DON'T KNOW THE REASON FOR THE RANGE OTHER THAN THE TWO FORMS OF TUNGSTEN CARBIDE, WHICH ARE WC AND W2C.

MORE TO COME...]]>
THE FIRST MEASUREMENT IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE ELEMENT CONDUCTIVITY TABLE FROM A CHEMISTRY TEXTBOOK AND IS ".000001 OHMS OF RESISTANCE PER CENTIMETER".

THE SECOND COLUMN IS USING SILVER (Ag) AS A REFERENCE, SINCE IT IS THE BEST CONDUCTOR AT ROOM TEMPERATURE AND IS READILY AVAILABLE ALTHOUGH EXPENSIVE. SILVER IS, FOR THIS TABLE, 100% AND ALL OTHER ELEMENTS HAVE THEIR VALUES DIVIDED INTO SILVER'S VALUE - MAKING IT A "PERCENT CONDUCTANCE IN RELATION TO SILVER". NOTE HOW IRON REALLY SUCKS COMPARATIVELY, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT STAINLESS STEEL CONDUCTS RATHER WELL WHICH IS AT LEAST TWO-THIRDS IRON.

AFTER SOME ONLINE RESEARCHING, I HAVE FOUNS SOME VALUES FOR 5 DIFFERENT GRADES OF STAINLESS STEEL. IT SEEMS THE HIGHER THE Cr CONTENT, THE BETTER THE CONDUCTANCE AND RESISTIVITY TO CORROSION.

REMEMBER, THESE MEASUREMENTS ARE CALCULATED AT 20 DEGRESS CELSIUS OR 68 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT

HOPE THIS HELPS!!!!

SILVER 0.630 100 %
COPPER 0.590 93.6%
GOLD 0.452 71.7%
ALUMINUM 0.377 59.8%[/color]
BERYLLIUM 0.313 49.7%
CALCIUM 0.298 47.3%
MAGNESIUM 0.226 35.9%
RHODIUM 0.211 33.5%
SODIUM 0.210 33.3%
IRIDIUM 0.197 31.3%
[/color]
ZINC 0.166 26.3%
NICKEL 0.143 22.7%
POTASSIUM 0.139 22.1%
CADMIUM 0.138 21.9%
RUTHENIUM 0.137 21.7%
INDIUM 0.116 18.4%
OSMIUM 0.109 17.3%
PLATINUM 0.097 15.4%
PALLADIUM 0.095 15.1%
IRON 0.093 14.8%[color=#FF0000]
size]


NOTE HOW TERRIBLE OF A CONDUCTANCE THESE STAINLESS STEELS HAVE COMPARED TO SILVER AND COPPER. THE DUPLEX (2205) AND UR52N+ STAINLESS STEELS CARRY CURRENT A WHOPPING 2% BETTER THAN 316.

SOMEONE MENTIONED USING 430 SS FOR ELECTRODES, BUT CONDUCTANCE IS MUCH LOWER WITH THIS MATERIAL.

WHAT ABOUT TUNGSTEN CARBIDE??????

THIS MATERIAL, BEING RELATIVELY NEW TO THE SCENE, IS NOT USED EXTENSIVELY IN ELECTRICAL APPLICATIONS OTHER THAN CVD. IT MELTS AT 5200 F AND IS THE HARDEST METAL ALLOY IN EXISTENCE AT THIS POINT.

AFTER SOME LENGTHY RESEARACH, I HAVE A RANGE OF CONDUCTIVITY VALUES RANGING FROM 0.07 TO 0.12, WHICH TRANSLATES INTO 9.5% T0 19% CONDUCTANCE COMPARED TO SILVER. I DON'T KNOW THE REASON FOR THE RANGE OTHER THAN THE TWO FORMS OF TUNGSTEN CARBIDE, WHICH ARE WC AND W2C.

MORE TO COME...]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2433 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:56:46 -0700 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/showthread.php?tid=2433
Sincerely,

Mr. Adam Rosen]]>
Sincerely,

Mr. Adam Rosen]]>