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24 volts
I've done some test in my shop and I think I can wire my hho unit to 24 volts and make more gas with lower amps and still run the car on 12 volts. The problem is charging the other battery if it will hold up to work and back I will charge it at night.
Has anybody tried this.
You have to connect the extra battery ground to car battery postive then connect HHO unit to positive of extra battery then connect ground of HHO unit to good body ground and you are working off 24 volts.
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(This post was last modified: 09-22-2008 03:57 AM by ahsem1972.)
09-22-2008 03:56 AM
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RE: 24 volts
add another battery and go 36, lol. Nah just messing. Cool, lets us know output difference in gas, please between 12 and 24.?.
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09-22-2008 04:15 AM
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RE: 24 volts
If you put the extra load on a standard alternator out- put would the computer see the voltage drop and compensate with a fuel increase for the extra load. Similar to the way it will at lower speeds?
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09-22-2008 09:23 AM
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RE: 24 volts
When I get time I will do some test with this and with the scanner connected to vehicle. My daughter has a soccer game almost every night so I'm not getting to play in the shop much.
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09-23-2008 04:49 AM
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RE: 24 volts
WHY?
When you start comparing systems preformance at different voltages, you need to use a common reference. The obvious is the total power consumed, ie watts. Watts are the volts times the amps.
12v X 20a = 240w.
Assuming the cells performance is constant at different volts and amps, 24v X 10a = 240w.
But we all know that increasing the voltage increased the amps and the HHO output. We also know that reducing the amps reduces the output.
The question is are the increases/decreases of equal proportion. Math says yes, But the volts between the plates is doubled, so you need to double the plates or increase the spacing. But now you need a bigger cell and a 40 pound battery. Plus what ever cost and added load on the alternator to keep the second battery charged and the electronics to acomplish the charging.

I assume the result will be a net loss if you don't engineer the entire system for 24 volts. Remember total POWER USED.

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09-23-2008 03:00 PM
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RE: 24 volts
Hi Richard here , Set up 3 cells with 7 plates each for 12 volts , then put into 24 volt diesel truck , stood well back an flipped the switch . gas production seems to have doubled , going to try 1/2 " hose to manifold as gas looks to be constricted with 3/8 " . Road trials to follow .

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02-13-2009 03:07 PM
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RE: 24 volts
Remember that over 3v per cell the heat goes up too.
02-13-2009 03:13 PM
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(02-13-2009 03:13 PM)Gary Wrote:  Remember that over 3v per cell the heat goes up too.

OK , Any preference to wire it in series or parallel ,
Still useing baking soda [ w4g experimenting hard to shake ]

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02-13-2009 03:26 PM
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RE: 24 volts
(09-23-2008 03:00 PM)Atfab Wrote:  WHY?
When you start comparing systems preformance at different voltages, you need to use a common reference. The obvious is the total power consumed, ie watts. Watts are the volts times the amps.
12v X 20a = 240w.
Assuming the cells performance is constant at different volts and amps, 24v X 10a = 240w.
But we all know that increasing the voltage increased the amps and the HHO output. We also know that reducing the amps reduces the output.
The question is are the increases/decreases of equal proportion. Math says yes, But the volts between the plates is doubled, so you need to double the plates or increase the spacing. But now you need a bigger cell and a 40 pound battery. Plus what ever cost and added load on the alternator to keep the second battery charged and the electronics to acomplish the charging.

I assume the result will be a net loss if you don't engineer the entire system for 24 volts. Remember total POWER USED.
an excellent common sense and scientifically correct analysis.
02-13-2009 08:00 PM
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RE: 24 volts
+1 Thomas
+1 Atfab

All you get is reduced efficiency.

I could see the extra battery for cranking (like they do on semi's), or on an RV for lighting when the engine is off, but not for our use. It's just an additional expense, more weight and more to go wrong.

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02-13-2009 08:12 PM
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