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AGS Fuel Vaporizer & Hydrocarbon Cracking System HCS
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AGS Fuel Vaporizer & Hydrocarbon Cracking System HCS
(11-30-2011 11:32 PM)rpatzer Wrote:  Thor- I have 2 but I am only going to monitor the upstream one.

rpatzer, I have (3) three 02 sensors on mine, I just did as the instruction said on all three and that's how mine worked. Using the one on this http://www.agsint.com/atom.htm website.
The one i used on my wife's car was the product on this http://www.agsvaporizermpg.com website. I like the more sleek design with this one. Big Grin
Did you plan on the EFIE on the new vaporizer system you're planning on using?
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12-05-2011 07:49 AM
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RE: AGS Fuel Vaporizer & Hydrocarbon Cracking System HCS
(12-05-2011 07:49 AM)Thor Wrote:  
(11-30-2011 11:32 PM)rpatzer Wrote:  Thor- I have 2 but I am only going to monitor the upstream one.

rpatzer, I have (3) three 02 sensors on mine, I just did as the instruction said on all three and that's how mine worked. Using the one on this http://www.agsint.com/atom.htm website.
The one i used on my wife's car was the product on this http://www.agsvaporizermpg.com website. I like the more sleek design with this one. Big Grin
Did you plan on the EFIE on the new vaporizer system you're planning on using?

No- while the EFIE does allow it to run leaner than normal, that extra O2 combines with the N in the air and creates more NOx. I don't want to start trading mileage for more pollution.
12-05-2011 08:47 PM
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AGS Fuel Vaporizer & Hydrocarbon Cracking System HCS
(12-05-2011 08:47 PM)rpatzer Wrote:  
(12-05-2011 07:49 AM)Thor Wrote:  
(11-30-2011 11:32 PM)rpatzer Wrote:  Thor- I have 2 but I am only going to monitor the upstream one.

rpatzer, I have (3) three 02 sensors on mine, I just did as the instruction said on all three and that's how mine worked. Using the one on this http://www.agsint.com/atom.htm website.
The one i used on my wife's car was the product on this http://www.agsvaporizermpg.com website. I like the more sleek design with this one. Big Grin
Did you plan on the EFIE on the new vaporizer system you're planning on using?

No- while the EFIE does allow it to run leaner than normal, that extra O2 combines with the N in the air and creates more NOx. I don't want to start trading mileage for more pollution.

Isn't that "not suppose to happen" to NOx with a good working catalytic converter, with or without a EFIE? You better check your catalytic and insure for a properly working converter, because your NOx levels are to be controlled with that.
12-07-2011 03:25 PM
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RE: AGS Fuel Vaporizer & Hydrocarbon Cracking System HCS
Thor- that is just the point. The EPA has determined that a working cat works with the 14.7:1 ratio. Anything leaner than that and it won't work. The lean-burn engines all have an additional cat for the extra NOx.

"The downfall of lean-burn technology is increased exhaust NOx emissions (due to higher heat and cylinder pressure) and a somewhat narrower RPM power-band (due to slower burn rates of lean mixtures). Vehicles that use these types of engines require more complex catalytic converters and are often limited to light duty uses (passenger vehicles versus commercial trucks)."

That is why I won't be using the EFIE. That way the ECU will still keep me in ratio-balance.
12-07-2011 06:58 PM
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Hi Guys, been following your exchanges on this thread. The two websites you keep referring to are the same company and this is proved by the identical fone numbers. How comne no one noticed that? I smell rotten fishheads hereBig Grin

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12-14-2011 12:50 PM
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(12-14-2011 12:50 PM)chrisdibor Wrote:  Hi Guys, been following your exchanges on this thread. The two websites you keep referring to are the same company and this is proved by the identical fone numbers. How comne no one noticed that? I smell rotten fishheads hereBig Grin

Yes- the same company but 2 different models. Nothing wrong/fishy here.
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(12-07-2011 06:58 PM)rpatzer Wrote:  Thor- that is just the point. The EPA has determined that a working cat works with the 14.7:1 ratio. Anything leaner than that and it won't work. The lean-burn engines all have an additional cat for the extra NOx.

"The downfall of lean-burn technology is increased exhaust NOx emissions (due to higher heat and cylinder pressure) and a somewhat narrower RPM power-band (due to slower burn rates of lean mixtures). Vehicles that use these types of engines require more complex catalytic converters and are often limited to light duty uses (passenger vehicles versus commercial trucks)."

That is why I won't be using the EFIE. That way the ECU will still keep me in ratio-balance.

I understand ... but that's, EPA's theory regarding catalytic converters. Remember, that converter is designed to burn-off all excess and unburned fuel before exiting the tailpipe as pollution. Ok, I see what you meant earlier regarding increased NOx while traveling through the converter.
That might be where AGS vaporizer either the http://www.agsint.com/atom.htm or the http://www.agsvaporizermpg.com products come into play with their "fuel flow calibration" testing. By calibrating for reduced fuel usage thus leading to less unburnt fuel traveling through the catalytic converter, I see why my NOx levels are actually lower. Big Grin
Does that make sense? --- I'm just guessing that might be the why.
12-22-2011 07:43 AM
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RE: AGS Fuel Vaporizer & Hydrocarbon Cracking System HCS
Thor- I think you are correct. Vapor burns more efficiently and the ECU still maintains ratio balance, resulting in NOT a lean burn but rather a more EFFICIENT burn. This is how I see it.
You can go lean- with the EFIE- and more NOx or you can go efficient and still stay eco/fuel optimized.
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(12-22-2011 09:58 AM)rpatzer Wrote:  Thor- I think you are correct. Vapor burns more efficiently and the ECU still maintains ratio balance, resulting in NOT a lean burn but rather a more EFFICIENT burn. This is how I see it.
You can go lean- with the EFIE- and more NOx or you can go efficient and still stay eco/fuel optimized.

Like I said, I was pleasantly surprised to see my results, even the emission centers tester was impressed enough that he bought on as well. That's the only answer I have for that ... in this "eco-friendly world" we live in today, that's a plus. Wink
Now, imagine what an "EFIE" could do Big Grin over and beyond either the vaporizer GLS - http://www.agsint.com/atom.htm - or the MPG - http://www.agsvaporizermpg.com can do?
12-30-2011 06:45 AM
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RE: AGS Fuel Vaporizer & Hydrocarbon Cracking System HCS
Thor- what the EFIE will do will make the mix too lean. I got a "test smog" done with my EFIE and the vaporizer and all the numbers improved except NOx which spiked. If it had been a real test, I would have failed.
I maintain you don't want to use the EFIE, just let the ECU keep you in 14.7:1 balance. I will try to find that smog report which I posted.

Here is a c/p of that original post showing the smog results with vaporizer and EFIE off and vaporizer and EFIE on.

smog results
These are the smog results with the vaporizer/efie off and then on. You can see how all the numbers were reduced with the vaporizer/efie on except the NO which greatly increased, which would have caused me to fail if it was the official test.

smog results
These are the smog results with the vaporizer/efie off and then on. You can see how all the numbers were reduced with the vaporizer/efie on except the NO which greatly increased, which would have caused me to fail if it was the official test. This was done on my 97 Jeep Cherokee around 2009

AMS EmissionTest Results- Vaporizer off

CO2 %O2 HC (PPM) CO(%) NO (PPM)
Test RPM MEAS, MEAS, MAX AVE MEAS, MAX AVE MEAS, MAX AVE MEAS
15mph 1665 15.1 .2 54 8 39 .69 .02 .24 527 82 512 PASS
25mph 1598 15.0 .1 38 6 13 .83 .02 .03 780 74 244 PASS

AMS Emission Test Results- Vaporizer On


15mph 1620 14.6 .3 54 8 12 .69 .02 ,01 527 82 1408 FAIL
25mph 1600 14.6 .3 38 6 8 .83 .02 .01 780 74 1327 FAIL

You can see from the above numbers that all the numbers improved except NO.
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