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EFIE Adjustment
[/size]Hello Mike, Recently I purchased a Single EFIE Deluxe from FuelSaver. After installation into a 1996 Chevy 3.1 Corsica and leaving the factory setting of 250 millivolts and with my Hydrogen Generator device turned on I went for a short city test drive and afterwards my Scan Gauge indicated a 4 MPG above my MPH baseline of 17.1 MPG. The engine appeared to run smooth until the next time I went on a test drive the engine cut out a few times but after I cut off the EFIE it ran in open loop the rest of the city short trip of 3.5 miles. Speeding up to 45 miles per hour the engine ran smooth. I increased the milivolts to 300 which only increased the cut out problem...

Question - Do you have any ideas to properly adjust and improve my situation.
Question - Your manual says that after the EFIE switch is off the oxygen sensor is reconnected to the ECM. In checking after disconnect of the the white and green wires with switch off using an ohm-meter shows an open circuit? But the scan gauge shows closed loop meaning it is receiving signals from the sensor???
Question could you e-mail me a circuit diuagram for the EFIE?

I have a very efficient Hydrogen Generator producing close to 2 liters hydroxy gas per minute running 15 Amps fed into the air filter intake. Could it be I do not need this amount of Hydroxy to receive the benefits of enhancement........ See attached Video (Windows Media Player)

Take Care, ------------ Jim Boone
01-11-2008 07:26 AM
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RE: EFIE Adjustment
Hi Jim,

I'm answering, not necessarily in the order the questions are given:

The first thing we have to establish is that the EFIE is not faulty. If you are showing open circuit between white and green with the EFIE off, then the unit is faulty. However, I've never seen this happen before, and the datum is belied by the evidence of the computer reporting closed loop operation. Please re-check this. Are you sure that the EFIE was off, and that your meter was set to resistance? If the EFIE is faulty, we don't have to go any further into debugging. We just need to replace the EFIE.

The amount of hydroxy is fine, but you may get better gas mileage with less. The point is that generating hydroxy costs more horsepower (via the alternator) than what you get back when you burn it. This is due to the fact that the energy conversions are not 100% efficient. The only reason you get an increase in gas mileage by using hydroxy at all, is the fact that the hydroxy increases the efficiency and speed of the burn of the liquid fuel. From what I've read (and not by actual experiment), after a certain amount of hydroxy, your increase in mpg will peak, and then will start to drop again. You may have overshot what you actually need, but I can't tell you for sure.

Re the circuit diagram: I can tell you that the white/green wires are connected to a double pole, double throw relay (DPDT). When power is off to the circuit (ie the switch is down and the LED is off) the white/green wires are connected to the normally closed terminals of the relay. In other words they are connected, and are out of circuit with the rest of the EFIE circuit board. It's pretty impossible for them not to be connected when the power is off, and that's why I want you to double check that point.

The last point I'll make is that I probably need to revise my installation instructions. I'm finding as I get more experience with helping guys adjust their EFIEs that .250 volts is quite often too high. I have a 4 cylinder Dodge Neon, and I run mine at .110 volts. I'm finding a lot of guys are doing better at lower settings. So I would encourage you to try lower settings and see if this doesn't improve your results. If you are having engine cut out problems, or the computer switches to open loop, you for sure are way off, that much we can know.

Please check the points above and let me know what you find.

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01-11-2008 10:07 AM
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Thanks Mike for the quick reply -- Yes it was my error in reporting I had no connection between the oxygen sensor and the computer when EFIE switch was off.... because my ohm meter battery was not making contact . When EFIE is off the oxygen sensor is connected to the ECM.

I will try your suggestion to experiment with the EFIE offset voltages for best MPG and engine performance and will report my findings back to you.....

I wish to thank you for the circuit diagram. I am very impressed wirth the EFIE I ordered from you and now understand how the circuit works. Other online oxygen simulator circuits just feed a constant offset voltage to the ECM which at times causes the CEL light to come on. Your product supplies the offset voltage in series with the oxygen sensor voltage and fools the computer successfully. I will not hesitate to reccommend your EFIE product to others....... Take care, Jim Boone
01-11-2008 01:44 PM
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Thanks very much Jim.

I see you've seen the design based on the LM3914 LED bar graph driver chip. I used to have a link to the plans in one of my documents, but I deleted it. It is just plain inferior. The plus for it is the plans are free. But when you can have the EFIE plans for only $8.00, it just doesn't make sense not to go with the best design.

Yes, please keep us posted on your progress.

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mike Wrote:Thanks very much Jim.

I see you've seen the design based on the LM3914 LED bar graph driver chip. I used to have a link to the plans in one of my documents, but I deleted it. It is just plain inferior. The plus for it is the plans are free. But when you can have the EFIE plans for only $8.00, it just doesn't make sense not to go with the best design.

Yes, please keep us posted on your progress.

i see that there is a mention of plans for $8.00 where can i get a hold of that at?

thanks.
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06-02-2008 01:11 PM
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Mike , this lm3914 design you mention is it on this website?.www.better-milage.com/memberadx.html.
I want to build this , ordered parts ,but you state that this is inferior and the eagle one is better ....would you or anyone know if the eagle one uses any form of transformers.
I wish to build an efie from plans that don't utilise any form of tranformer as the specific tranformers cannot be susessfully sourced in the UK.( sorry we are a backward nation) .I wish to build rather than buy, even if it costs more ...this is more for personal satisfaction of actually building /assembling something that works.

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My car uses a post and pre O2 sensors, would I need two of these and would I also have to enhance the MAP sensor

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Ive joined today and have LOTS of ideas to share.
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10-13-2008 09:53 AM
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RE: adjustment..... It connects in series with the O2 sensor. should start at about 0.175 across the effie. I set mine to about 0.3 and the check engine light came on and it ran rough.
I also bought one of the fuel ratio gauges. It appeared to be running lean so I replaced the 02 sensor. The readings appear to not have changed any, so maybe it wasn't needed to be changed.
The sensor hasn't been touched for a very long time so it got changed anyway.
I still need to do some adjusting, when I get the cell back in. I took it out to clean it up and
replace the bolts in the top connections because of a melting problem at the bolts.
my cells are all hommade. When it goes back in I will put in a pwm to regulate the current.
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10-01-2010 01:59 AM
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RE: EFIE Adjustment
fie adjustment o2 sensor efie voltage the efie adds an adjustable value to that delivered by the oxygen sensor this extra voltage compensates for the variation caused by hho adjustments to.

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10-11-2010 08:04 PM
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(01-11-2008 07:26 AM)Jim Boone Wrote:  [/size]Hello Mike, Recently I purchased a Single EFIE Deluxe from FuelSaver. After installation into a 1996 Chevy 3.1 Corsica and leaving the factory setting of 250 millivolts and with my Hydrogen Generator device turned on I went for a short city test drive and afterwards my Scan Gauge indicated a 4 MPG above my MPH baseline of 17.1 MPG. The engine appeared to run smooth until the next time I went on a test drive the engine cut out a few times but after I cut off the EFIE it ran in open loop the rest of the city short trip of 3.5 miles. Speeding up to 45 miles per hour the engine ran smooth. I increased the milivolts to 300 which only increased the cut out problem...

Question - Do you have any ideas to properly adjust and improve my situation.
Question - Your manual says that after the EFIE switch is off the oxygen sensor is reconnected to the ECM. In checking after disconnect of the the white and green wires with switch off using an ohm-meter shows an open circuit? But the scan gauge shows closed loop meaning it is receiving signals from the sensor???
Question could you e-mail me a circuit diuagram for the EFIE?

I have a very efficient Hydrogen Generator producing close to 2 liters hydroxy gas per minute running 15 Amps fed into the air filter intake. Could it be I do not need this amount of Hydroxy to receive the benefits of enhancement........ See attached Video (Windows Media Player)

Take Care, ------------ Jim Boone
Hi, maybe this will help, first, the lower ridding should be minimum 2 volts
ratio 14/ 1, try run your vehicle for few KMs back to your garage open the bonnet (hood) disconnect the positive of the battery, now touch to the negative few times, that will reset the OBC, remember the OBC has is own backup battery, when you touch few times the positive cable ( disconnected from the battery) to the negative, that will reset the OBC, as from now as to learn all the gadgets (sensors) again There is a good chance to accept all the HHO that you feed in, that work for me few times.
(01-11-2008 07:26 AM)Jim Boone Wrote:  [/size]Hello Mike, Recently I purchased a Single EFIE Deluxe from FuelSaver. After installation into a 1996 Chevy 3.1 Corsica and leaving the factory setting of 250 millivolts and with my Hydrogen Generator device turned on I went for a short city test drive and afterwards my Scan Gauge indicated a 4 MPG above my MPH baseline of 17.1 MPG. The engine appeared to run smooth until the next time I went on a test drive the engine cut out a few times but after I cut off the EFIE it ran in open loop the rest of the city short trip of 3.5 miles. Speeding up to 45 miles per hour the engine ran smooth. I increased the milivolts to 300 which only increased the cut out problem...

Question - Do you have any ideas to properly adjust and improve my situation.
Question - Your manual says that after the EFIE switch is off the oxygen sensor is reconnected to the ECM. In checking after disconnect of the the white and green wires with switch off using an ohm-meter shows an open circuit? But the scan gauge shows closed loop meaning it is receiving signals from the sensor???
Question could you e-mail me a circuit diuagram for the EFIE?

I have a very efficient Hydrogen Generator producing close to 2 liters hydroxy gas per minute running 15 Amps fed into the air filter intake. Could it be I do not need this amount of Hydroxy to receive the benefits of enhancement........ See attached Video (Windows Media Player)

Take Care, ------------ Jim Boone
Hi, maybe this will help, first, the lower ridding should be minimum0.2 volts
ratio 14/ 1, try run your vehicle for few KMs back to your garage open the bonnet (hood) disconnect the positive of the battery, now touch to the negative few times, that will reset the OBC, remember the OBC has is own backup battery, when you touch few times the positive cable ( disconnected from the battery) to the negative, that will reset the OBC, as from now as to learn all the gadgets (sensors) again There is a good chance to accept all the HHO that you feed in, that work for me few times.
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