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Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
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colchiro Offline
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Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
I'm interested in what you've tried, and didn't work (why).

I'm also interested in what you're using now and you mpg increase.

No need to mention anything with Cl in it. We know that's bad.

Thanks.

Rick

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04-18-2008 04:32 AM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
I tried white vinegar and didn't see any improvement. it smelled bad and the gas wasn't so explosive.....

baking soda works better
04-22-2008 09:08 AM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
I've been using a mixture of baking soda, vinegar, 90% isop. alcohol, and hydrogen peroxide. This mixture made a HUGE noticeable difference from going from just baking soda alone! (this was until my O2 sensor caught on and my results have diminished a bit)

right now getting average of 41-46 mpg (coming from an original 28-30). Hoping this goes up once I get an EFIE.

anyway.. I've been keeping up with this guy's videos and progress. He's got an escort getting average of 60 mpg and a saturn getting around 82 mpg (with a peak experience of 89 mpg!)
If you got time, check out his work. I got my electrolyte mix from him.


http://www.livevideo.com/byte312
04-22-2008 09:44 AM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
wulfram Wrote:I've been using a mixture of baking soda, vinegar, 90% isop. alcohol, and hydrogen peroxide. This mixture made a HUGE noticeable difference from going from just baking soda alone! (this was until my O2 sensor caught on and my results have diminished a bit)
http://www.livevideo.com/byte312

Hey wulfram, thanks for sharing that. could u explain ur ingredients a bit more in detail. how much of each do you use?

I didn't realize a better mixture exists. Thanks
04-22-2008 10:32 PM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
RebelScientist Wrote:
wulfram Wrote:I've been using a mixture of baking soda, vinegar, 90% isop. alcohol, and hydrogen peroxide. This mixture made a HUGE noticeable difference from going from just baking soda alone! (this was until my O2 sensor caught on and my results have diminished a bit)
http://www.livevideo.com/byte312

Hey wulfram, thanks for sharing that. could u explain ur ingredients a bit more in detail. how much of each do you use?

I didn't realize a better mixture exists. Thanks

No prob. From what I understand, the vinegar helps keep the baking soda in check (creating sodium acetate - which will help prevent freezing in cold temps) as well as help keep the baking soda from quickly forming that brownish sludge-like material in your gen.
(not referring to the separate rust situation that occurs when not using SS parts in your gen)
The alcohol and hydrogen peroxide add to the volume of gasses produced per-amp.
On the video link I listed above, the mixture is composed as this:
3 cups rain-water (or distilled), 2 shot glasses distilled white vinegar, two capfulls hydrogen peroxide, 1 cup 90% isop.alcohol.

I have tweaked the mixture a bit and added three capfulls of peroxide and only 1 shot glass of vinegar. This has added a definitely noticeable increase in HP (MUCH less depressing on accellerator to achieve the same speeds as before) and my engine runs much quieter. I assume that this change (coming from before - just using baking soda alone) is because more volume and consistency of HHO is being produced.

I highly recommend watching some of byte312's videos on the subject. He's gotten tremendous results on his two test vehicles.
04-23-2008 05:31 AM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
How much baking soda are you using in that mix.
04-23-2008 04:24 PM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
bandit354 Wrote:How much baking soda are you using in that mix.

for 30 oz, almost 1 tablespoon. How much baking soda really depends also on what electrocution materials you're using. I was using two bolts at 3 tablespoons. Now I have a 2-plate SS and 3 tablespoons overloads the wiring and fuses (trial and error). With 2-plate SS, 1 tblspn does just great (with the rest of the ingredients above of course).
04-23-2008 04:29 PM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
New electrolyte.
Lemon juice. Makes sense when you think that you can string a whole bunch of lemons together soley and light an LED bulb.
Anyhoo.. here's a vid of a guy using lemon juice alone as an electrolyte. He has a followup vid too. The water does turn a dark color after 40 hours (because of the lemon color changing), but no scum or film (like that left from baking soda, if you aren't mixing vinegar with it).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YS4cpU4QpPE

Watching the bubbles in this vid.. I am not sure if perhaps he doesn't have enough lemon juice for a good output of gas, or if it's his choice of metal. Just a concept for your education. Smile
04-25-2008 05:44 PM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
Well tonight I mixed the vinegar and the baking soda together, mixed to much together at first and got alot of gas and bubbles started over. 4tablespoons of soda 400ml of vinegar and two cap fulls of hydrogen peroxide to the generator. I put the vinegar and baking soda in a pop bottle and going to use that as a solution add it to the generator until I get around 5amps. Seems to raise the amps alot more then just using straight baking soda. See what happens late here and I just drove the truck around the block.
04-26-2008 08:23 PM
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RE: Electrolytes. What have you tried. What do you use
Ah, yes. I know who you're talking about. I think his average mileage during the summer time was actually in the 50's with the Escort and in the mid to high 40's with the Saturn. I know that because I read through a lot of his blogs.

I'm also very curious at what his solution of vinegar, baking soda, distilled water, and hydrogen peroxide will do in other people's vehicles. So, keep us posted, anyone who tries this.

My biggest concern with that mix is what it will do long term to SS plates. I asked him that on his blog, by he didn't answer me.


wulfram Wrote:anyway.. I've been keeping up with this guy's videos and progress. He's got an escort getting average of 60 mpg and a saturn getting around 82 mpg (with a peak experience of 89 mpg!)
If you got time, check out his work. I got my electrolyte mix from him.


http://www.livevideo.com/byte312
04-26-2008 10:51 PM
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