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First Independently Tested Vapor System!!!
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Vapor Fuel Technologies LLC has an article in the Oregonian newspaper found at:

Increase Fuel Economy by 30% in an F150 Truck - Oregon Live - Oregonian

Thanks for looking!
06-17-2008 02:14 PM
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2cents Wrote:Vapor Fuel Technologies LLC has an article in the Oregonian newspaper found at:

Increase Fuel Economy by 30% in an F150 Truck - Oregon Live - Oregonian

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Sounds an awful like what Ford has been advised to do in the past, by some an independent engineering firm !!
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Glennjr Wrote:
2cents Wrote:Vapor Fuel Technologies LLC has an article in the Oregonian newspaper found at:

Increase Fuel Economy by 30% in an F150 Truck - Oregon Live - Oregonian

Thanks for looking!
Sounds an awful like what Ford has been advised to do in the past, by some an independent engineering firm !!
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The problem, Dean told the company, was one the auto industry had long faced in trying to increase mileage. Putting less gas in the mix increased the ratio of oxygen-to-fuel and caused a condition known as "lean burn." And the higher oxygen content baffled the pollution control system's catalytic converter, hampering removal of nitrogen oxides, a smog-causing pollutant.

"The day that Tony Dean came in to explain NOX was not a good day," Bushnell said. "It was like falling off your bike onto the bar in the middle."

Automakers are responding to the problem in various ways, including technology that explodes gas in the combustion chamber through compression, like a diesel engine, rather than a spark.

But Bushnell continued tinkering, now with Dean's critiques, settling on an idea that they believe the auto industry hasn't thought of. Why not heat the incoming air, too?

That causes it to expand ( the same principle a hot air balloon relies on) and fill up more space with less air. Combined with vaporized gasoline, they could keep the air-fuel ratio the same, dodging the pollution problem.

The heated mixture had another benefit, Bushnell and Dean said. Its "flame speed" -- how fast it burned -- and its explosive potential were higher than normal. That meant much more of it could be exploded when the piston was at its optimum position. And that meant they could use less gasoline without sacrificing power.


thats why heating the mix with copper tubes running over the manifold like wulfs doing is helping the process.
increasing flame speed
07-15-2008 11:39 AM
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http://schou.dk/hvce/

Smokey Yunick was doing this back in the 80's with a 2 stroker. They called it adiabatic, probably not 100% but apparently close. There is a drawing of the motor here.
07-15-2008 12:07 PM
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Hi I'm a new member.

Can petrol be vibrated voilently to the point where it will mist and vapourize. In a similar fashion to the ultra-sonic humidifier that does the same thing to water?

If the humidifier principle worked. Fuel injectors could be redesigned to incorporate some form transducer that emits a high engergy pulse to the fuel as the injector is open causing the fuel to be more effectively vapourized as it leaves the injector.

Or some form of enclosed vapour generator using several transducers to create a lot of vapour that could be injected in a similar fashion to HHO. With whatever ECU fooling devices to correct the mixture.

Are these feasable?

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07-19-2008 04:31 PM
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Did you hear that sound........that was everything above going right over my head.......roflmao

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07-23-2008 09:45 AM
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Neil, I've seen posts where users were using two ultrasonic units to vaporize their electrolyte and also for water injection.

Using it to vaporize a flammable liquid is probably asking for trouble.

Most of the time something similar to the vaporizer 2000 is used on the PCV vacuum line to turn gas into vapor. I don't know why people don't bubble their hho thru their units.Hmm

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07-23-2008 03:14 PM
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I was thinking of a of an enclosed chamber with a one direction check valve air intake on it's input. Several ultrasonic tranducers to generate the vapour. The output being drawn into the vehicle air intake by the vehicle vacuum. After the PCV valve. Again with a one direction check valve. The check valves should prevent fuel vapour being released outside of the chamber and ignition of the vapour in the chamber in the event of a flame in the air intake. There are problems such as maintaining a constant level of fuel in the bottom of the chamber worsened by the fact that if the vehicle is travelling on an incline or decline the fuel in the chamber will not remain level. This could be resolved by mounting the transducers on some form of gimball/pendulum levelling system in the bottom of the chamber so that when the chamber is tilted the transducers remain relatively level and covered in the fuel. The pendulum would be damped by being under the transducers in the fuel.

An EFIE would be needed as well.

This is only an idea. I was only wandering whether it was feasable.

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07-24-2008 11:04 AM
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Neil,
Sharp thinking because there is great potential. However, an ultrasonic transducer usually has to come into contact with the media. Unless the inital contact produces, for all practical purposes, a vapor, not a mist, and then it is whisked away for continued contact with new liquid, there may be a problem. If initial contact falls short & continued contact is necessary, how is that achieved? If you have a closed chamber which builds pressure as liquid goes to vapor and the ultrasonic energy is continually distributed to media.....but maybe. As always, the devil is in the details.
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Hi Neil: hey, I did a very long Jeeves/ google search once on the Cottell or Cottel carb which originated in the 70s. Highly suppressed I'm afraid, but you can probably get the gist of it: water and fuel injected together into a microwave energy throttle body. VERY effective! Somebody in Australia had plans. Hans
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