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All 02 and Up 1500 and 03 and up 2500/3500 which is the 3rd gen Body style have 4 o2's and 2 cat's if it's a gas burner. It's the 03 and up Hemi's that have the 2.5v o2's and I beleive 04 and up 4.7L.
My brothers 06 Dodge Dakota with the 3.7L has a 2.5v o2 setup aswell.

The 2nd gen Ram's I'm not sure on. 94-2001 1500 and 1995-2002 2500/3500

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10-16-2008 04:11 PM
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stl_hemi Wrote:All 02 and Up 1500 and 03 and up 2500/3500 which is the 3rd gen Body style have 4 o2's and 2 cat's if it's a gas burner. It's the 03 and up Hemi's that have the 2.5v o2's and I beleive 04 and up 4.7L.
My brothers 06 Dodge Dakota with the 3.7L has a 2.5v o2 setup aswell.

The 2nd gen Ram's I'm not sure on. 94-2001 1500 and 1995-2002 2500/3500
Thanks again. And thanks for helping everyone with this.

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10-17-2008 10:45 AM
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hi i have a 2000 honda accord EX LEV 2.3 do i need a o2 enhancer or can i use a map or maf sensor?
10-21-2008 10:30 AM
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diverdan Wrote:hi i have a 2000 honda accord EX LEV 2.3 do i need a o2 enhancer or can i use a map or maf sensor?

If you have the F23A4 engine you have a wide band sensor (AFR) so an O2 enhancer would not help,in which case you should try a MAP sensor enhancer. All other engines for that year used narrow band O2 sensors so a single EFIE would work with them.

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10-22-2008 11:51 AM
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Bruce Wrote:Hello Everyone,
We just had a ground breaking event at Fuel Saver-MPG. We now have a data base with almost instant access to..
1. Determining whether a vehicle has a wide band or narrow band sensor.
2. How many O2 sensors a vehicle has upstream of the catalytic converter.
3. What configuration of other sensors that a vehicle has that input to the ECU.
4. We can tell you right away now which EFIE can be used on your vehicle.
All of this used to require some involved research in the case of many vehicles but now we can determine it in just a few minutes.
So if any of our customers, or even if you are not a customer, and would like to know what you have or what type EFIE you need just email your make/model/year/engine information to me at support@fuel-saver.org

Bruce

Bruce, Rick (colchiro) sent me. My primary question has to do with the O2 sensors that my vehicle is equipped with and whether or not they are compatable with your EFIE unit(S). I was quite dismayed to find that my sensors were 4 wire units, but perked up a bit when I found that they are Hego sensors. Rick gave me the final boost of encouragement when he told me that they are the heated type and were more than likely compatable; however, he advised that I check with you for the final word. So, here I am with my hat in my hand AND several questions, I hope that you can find the time to answer them.

Vehicle: '98 Lincoln MK-8 LSC, 4.6 litre V-8

1) Your response to "gpprotection" regarding his Towncar may also apply to my vehicle, but, to be certain, I'm compelled to ask if the Hego sensors are, indeed, compatable with your EFIE.

2) I have purchased the Gas4Free plans, however, after several unanswered inquiries to their tech support (no response in two weeks and still counting) and reading similar complaints from SEVERAL of your subscibers, I'm beginning to question whether or not I "picked the right Horse." Additionally, I've read on your forum that many people are having difficulty with blowing fuses (units drawing mass amps) and the units heating up. I've tried to do my homework on my HHO project and noted that the units that seem to be the most successful and efficient integrate neutral plates in their electolyzers and I'm a bit surprised to find that the Gas4Free cells don't call for any neutral plates at all. Should I be looking elsewhere Bruce? If so, where do I look and will your EFIE work with other designs? It seems more than apparent that fuel-savers has a relationship with Gas4Free, so this may be a sensative question, but it is one that begs to be asked. This is a totally new concept to me and I'm sure a host of others, so reliable tech support is an absolute MUST. The promised "48 hr." response time is simply fiction and, in addition to the above issues, this is why I ask.

3) Lastly, I was given the impression that Gas4Free would also provide a parts list and schematics for a EFIE. They list the number of components required, but don't specify what they are, nor do they provide the schematics. I suspect the unit in question is yours, so, with the hope that there is no harm in the asking, my question is whether or not fuel-savers will provide the schematics and parts list? There's no offense intended and I'm not trying do 'dig into your pockets", but I'm quite comfortable with circuitry and was rather looking forward to building my own unit. If it's not in the cards, so be it.

You folks have created a great forum Bruce, I can't imagine any visitor to this site not coming away with useful information. Keep up the good work.
Best Regards, Lance
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10-26-2008 11:06 AM
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RE: Great News
Soaked Poncho Wrote:
Bruce Wrote:Hello Everyone,
We just had a ground breaking event at Fuel Saver-MPG. We now have a data base with almost instant access to..
1. Determining whether a vehicle has a wide band or narrow band sensor.
2. How many O2 sensors a vehicle has upstream of the catalytic converter.
3. What configuration of other sensors that a vehicle has that input to the ECU.
4. We can tell you right away now which EFIE can be used on your vehicle.
All of this used to require some involved research in the case of many vehicles but now we can determine it in just a few minutes.
So if any of our customers, or even if you are not a customer, and would like to know what you have or what type EFIE you need just email your make/model/year/engine information to me at support@fuel-saver.org

Bruce

Bruce, Rick (colchiro) sent me. My primary question has to do with the O2 sensors that my vehicle is equipped with and whether or not they are compatable with your EFIE unit(S). I was quite dismayed to find that my sensors were 4 wire units, but perked up a bit when I found that they are Hego sensors. Rick gave me the final boost of encouragement when he told me that they are the heated type and were more than likely compatable; however, he advised that I check with you for the final word. So, here I am with my hat in my hand AND several questions, I hope that you can find the time to answer them.

Vehicle: '98 Lincoln MK-8 LSC, 4.6 litre V-8

1) Your response to "gpprotection" regarding his Towncar may also apply to my vehicle, but, to be certain, I'm compelled to ask if the Hego sensors are, indeed, compatable with your EFIE.

2) I have purchased the Gas4Free plans, however, after several unanswered inquiries to their tech support (no response in two weeks and still counting) and reading similar complaints from SEVERAL of your subscibers, I'm beginning to question whether or not I "picked the right Horse." Additionally, I've read on your forum that many people are having difficulty with blowing fuses (units drawing mass amps) and the units heating up. I've tried to do my homework on my HHO project and noted that the units that seem to be the most successful and efficient integrate neutral plates in their electolyzers and I'm a bit surprised to find that the Gas4Free cells don't call for any neutral plates at all. Should I be looking elsewhere Bruce? If so, where do I look and will your EFIE work with other designs? It seems more than apparent that fuel-savers has a relationship with Gas4Free, so this may be a sensative question, but it is one that begs to be asked. This is a totally new concept to me and I'm sure a host of others, so reliable tech support is an absolute MUST. The promised "48 hr." response time is simply fiction and, in addition to the above issues, this is why I ask.

3) Lastly, I was given the impression that Gas4Free would also provide a parts list and schematics for a EFIE. They list the number of components required, but don't specify what they are, nor do they provide the schematics. I suspect the unit in question is yours, so, with the hope that there is no harm in the asking, my question is whether or not fuel-savers will provide the schematics and parts list? There's no offense intended and I'm not trying do 'dig into your pockets", but I'm quite comfortable with circuitry and was rather looking forward to building my own unit. If it's not in the cards, so be it.

You folks have created a great forum Bruce, I can't imagine any visitor to this site not coming away with useful information. Keep up the good work.
Best Regards, Lance

You are right all about the Gass4Free Unit. It did blow many fuses and I found the only one that works is 30amp fuse. Also it did have overheating problems also (I guess thats why we use 1/2in polyurethane close to bullet proof). I removed it last week just to look it over and be sure which end the problem is on and now I'm not sure. Inside the unit it was scorched on the side from one wire touching the side and I have added longer bolts with nuts on both sides so I can tighten the bolt so tight that it leaves no slack in the wire and lifts the plates off the bottom. I have not installed the unit yet again so we will see. Also the only way I found to get a response (a bad one but it was a response) is through click bank. Use your email receipt to email them and they will get things rolling and if no response give you the option of a refund. Hope we can help each other some more. JD GPprotection.
10-26-2008 11:49 AM
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gpprotection Wrote:
Soaked Poncho Wrote:
Bruce Wrote:Hello Everyone,
We just had a ground breaking event at Fuel Saver-MPG. We now have a data base with almost instant access to..
1. Determining whether a vehicle has a wide band or narrow band sensor.
2. How many O2 sensors a vehicle has upstream of the catalytic converter.
3. What configuration of other sensors that a vehicle has that input to the ECU.
4. We can tell you right away now which EFIE can be used on your vehicle.
All of this used to require some involved research in the case of many vehicles but now we can determine it in just a few minutes.
So if any of our customers, or even if you are not a customer, and would like to know what you have or what type EFIE you need just email your make/model/year/engine information to me at support@fuel-saver.org

Bruce

Bruce, Rick (colchiro) sent me. My primary question has to do with the O2 sensors that my vehicle is equipped with and whether or not they are compatable with your EFIE unit(S). I was quite dismayed to find that my sensors were 4 wire units, but perked up a bit when I found that they are Hego sensors. Rick gave me the final boost of encouragement when he told me that they are the heated type and were more than likely compatable; however, he advised that I check with you for the final word. So, here I am with my hat in my hand AND several questions, I hope that you can find the time to answer them.

Vehicle: '98 Lincoln MK-8 LSC, 4.6 litre V-8

1) Your response to "gpprotection" regarding his Towncar may also apply to my vehicle, but, to be certain, I'm compelled to ask if the Hego sensors are, indeed, compatable with your EFIE.

2) I have purchased the Gas4Free plans, however, after several unanswered inquiries to their tech support (no response in two weeks and still counting) and reading similar complaints from SEVERAL of your subscibers, I'm beginning to question whether or not I "picked the right Horse." Additionally, I've read on your forum that many people are having difficulty with blowing fuses (units drawing mass amps) and the units heating up. I've tried to do my homework on my HHO project and noted that the units that seem to be the most successful and efficient integrate neutral plates in their electolyzers and I'm a bit surprised to find that the Gas4Free cells don't call for any neutral plates at all. Should I be looking elsewhere Bruce? If so, where do I look and will your EFIE work with other designs? It seems more than apparent that fuel-savers has a relationship with Gas4Free, so this may be a sensative question, but it is one that begs to be asked. This is a totally new concept to me and I'm sure a host of others, so reliable tech support is an absolute MUST. The promised "48 hr." response time is simply fiction and, in addition to the above issues, this is why I ask.

3) Lastly, I was given the impression that Gas4Free would also provide a parts list and schematics for a EFIE. They list the number of components required, but don't specify what they are, nor do they provide the schematics. I suspect the unit in question is yours, so, with the hope that there is no harm in the asking, my question is whether or not fuel-savers will provide the schematics and parts list? There's no offense intended and I'm not trying do 'dig into your pockets", but I'm quite comfortable with circuitry and was rather looking forward to building my own unit. If it's not in the cards, so be it.

You folks have created a great forum Bruce, I can't imagine any visitor to this site not coming away with useful information. Keep up the good work.
Best Regards, Lance

You are right all about the Gass4Free Unit. It did blow many fuses and I found the only one that works is 30amp fuse. Also it did have overheating problems also (I guess thats why we use 1/2in polyurethane close to bullet proof). I removed it last week just to look it over and be sure which end the problem is on and now I'm not sure. Inside the unit it was scorched on the side from one wire touching the side and I have added longer bolts with nuts on both sides so I can tighten the bolt so tight that it leaves no slack in the wire and lifts the plates off the bottom. I have not installed the unit yet again so we will see. Also the only way I found to get a response (a bad one but it was a response) is through click bank. Use your email receipt to email them and they will get things rolling and if no response give you the option of a refund. Hope we can help each other some more. JD GPprotection.


Thank you for your response JD, I have yet to construct a unit and if I do I'm considering expanding it in size to a sufficient degree to allow for the addition of some neutral plates. Also 30 Amps has me concerned as the MK-8 Alt. is rated at 130 Amps and I have been Strongly advised by an auto electric pro I know to NOT exceed I/3 the capacity of the alt.. There's still a little wiggle room at a 30 Amp draw, but one never knows what lurks around the corner ------. With tech support being so poor, I just don't know which way to approach this project. If you have a unit on your bench, have you established how many litres/min your unit is producing? If you have, I'd be grateful if you would share data.
Again, Thanks fir your response.
Best Regards, Lance
10-26-2008 02:03 PM
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RE: Great News
Soaked Poncho Wrote:
Bruce Wrote:Hello Everyone,
We just had a ground breaking event at Fuel Saver-MPG. We now have a data base with almost instant access to..
1. Determining whether a vehicle has a wide band or narrow band sensor.
2. How many O2 sensors a vehicle has upstream of the catalytic converter.
3. What configuration of other sensors that a vehicle has that input to the ECU.
4. We can tell you right away now which EFIE can be used on your vehicle.
All of this used to require some involved research in the case of many vehicles but now we can determine it in just a few minutes.
So if any of our customers, or even if you are not a customer, and would like to know what you have or what type EFIE you need just email your make/model/year/engine information to me at support@fuel-saver.org

Bruce

Bruce, Rick (colchiro) sent me. My primary question has to do with the O2 sensors that my vehicle is equipped with and whether or not they are compatable with your EFIE unit(S). I was quite dismayed to find that my sensors were 4 wire units, but perked up a bit when I found that they are Hego sensors. Rick gave me the final boost of encouragement when he told me that they are the heated type and were more than likely compatable; however, he advised that I check with you for the final word. So, here I am with my hat in my hand AND several questions, I hope that you can find the time to answer them.

Vehicle: '98 Lincoln MK-8 LSC, 4.6 litre V-8

1) Your response to "gpprotection" regarding his Towncar may also apply to my vehicle, but, to be certain, I'm compelled to ask if the Hego sensors are, indeed, compatable with your EFIE.

2) I have purchased the Gas4Free plans, however, after several unanswered inquiries to their tech support (no response in two weeks and still counting) and reading similar complaints from SEVERAL of your subscibers, I'm beginning to question whether or not I "picked the right Horse." Additionally, I've read on your forum that many people are having difficulty with blowing fuses (units drawing mass amps) and the units heating up. I've tried to do my homework on my HHO project and noted that the units that seem to be the most successful and efficient integrate neutral plates in their electolyzers and I'm a bit surprised to find that the Gas4Free cells don't call for any neutral plates at all. Should I be looking elsewhere Bruce? If so, where do I look and will your EFIE work with other designs? It seems more than apparent that fuel-savers has a relationship with Gas4Free, so this may be a sensative question, but it is one that begs to be asked. This is a totally new concept to me and I'm sure a host of others, so reliable tech support is an absolute MUST. The promised "48 hr." response time is simply fiction and, in addition to the above issues, this is why I ask.

3) Lastly, I was given the impression that Gas4Free would also provide a parts list and schematics for a EFIE. They list the number of components required, but don't specify what they are, nor do they provide the schematics. I suspect the unit in question is yours, so, with the hope that there is no harm in the asking, my question is whether or not fuel-savers will provide the schematics and parts list? There's no offense intended and I'm not trying do 'dig into your pockets", but I'm quite comfortable with circuitry and was rather looking forward to building my own unit. If it's not in the cards, so be it.

You folks have created a great forum Bruce, I can't imagine any visitor to this site not coming away with useful information. Keep up the good work.
Best Regards, Lance

Hello Lance,
It appears you have 2 O2 sensor(s) (narrow band) upstream of your catalytic converter, so a Dual EFIE would work for you.
In most cases drawing to high an amperage on your HHO generator is due to haing your electrolyte concentration too high to start with. A good way to test is to drain the electrolyte and flush the generator with distilled water. Then refill with pure distilled water to start and turn the system on. If it does not trip the breaker/fuse after it heats up then you are on the right track, then just add electrolyte in very small increments until you get the amperage you desire. If it trips even with distilled water then it is something else then you can look elsewhere.
We do not provide parts lists or schematics of our EFIE's but we do provide wiring diagrams of your vehicles ECU for free on request.
You can purchase (very inexpensive) schematics of EFIE's from Eagle Reasearch. They have a great design.
Bruce

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10-26-2008 03:27 PM
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Soaked Poncho Wrote:
gpprotection Wrote:
Soaked Poncho Wrote:
Bruce Wrote:Hello Everyone,
We just had a ground breaking event at Fuel Saver-MPG. We now have a data base with almost instant access to..
1. Determining whether a vehicle has a wide band or narrow band sensor.
2. How many O2 sensors a vehicle has upstream of the catalytic converter.
3. What configuration of other sensors that a vehicle has that input to the ECU.
4. We can tell you right away now which EFIE can be used on your vehicle.
All of this used to require some involved research in the case of many vehicles but now we can determine it in just a few minutes.
So if any of our customers, or even if you are not a customer, and would like to know what you have or what type EFIE you need just email your make/model/year/engine information to me at support@fuel-saver.org

Bruce

Bruce, Rick (colchiro) sent me. My primary question has to do with the O2 sensors that my vehicle is equipped with and whether or not they are compatable with your EFIE unit(S). I was quite dismayed to find that my sensors were 4 wire units, but perked up a bit when I found that they are Hego sensors. Rick gave me the final boost of encouragement when he told me that they are the heated type and were more than likely compatable; however, he advised that I check with you for the final word. So, here I am with my hat in my hand AND several questions, I hope that you can find the time to answer them.

Vehicle: '98 Lincoln MK-8 LSC, 4.6 litre V-8

1) Your response to "gpprotection" regarding his Towncar may also apply to my vehicle, but, to be certain, I'm compelled to ask if the Hego sensors are, indeed, compatable with your EFIE.

2) I have purchased the Gas4Free plans, however, after several unanswered inquiries to their tech support (no response in two weeks and still counting) and reading similar complaints from SEVERAL of your subscibers, I'm beginning to question whether or not I "picked the right Horse." Additionally, I've read on your forum that many people are having difficulty with blowing fuses (units drawing mass amps) and the units heating up. I've tried to do my homework on my HHO project and noted that the units that seem to be the most successful and efficient integrate neutral plates in their electolyzers and I'm a bit surprised to find that the Gas4Free cells don't call for any neutral plates at all. Should I be looking elsewhere Bruce? If so, where do I look and will your EFIE work with other designs? It seems more than apparent that fuel-savers has a relationship with Gas4Free, so this may be a sensative question, but it is one that begs to be asked. This is a totally new concept to me and I'm sure a host of others, so reliable tech support is an absolute MUST. The promised "48 hr." response time is simply fiction and, in addition to the above issues, this is why I ask.

3) Lastly, I was given the impression that Gas4Free would also provide a parts list and schematics for a EFIE. They list the number of components required, but don't specify what they are, nor do they provide the schematics. I suspect the unit in question is yours, so, with the hope that there is no harm in the asking, my question is whether or not fuel-savers will provide the schematics and parts list? There's no offense intended and I'm not trying do 'dig into your pockets", but I'm quite comfortable with circuitry and was rather looking forward to building my own unit. If it's not in the cards, so be it.

You folks have created a great forum Bruce, I can't imagine any visitor to this site not coming away with useful information. Keep up the good work.
Best Regards, Lance

You are right all about the Gass4Free Unit. It did blow many fuses and I found the only one that works is 30amp fuse. Also it did have overheating problems also (I guess thats why we use 1/2in polyurethane close to bullet proof). I removed it last week just to look it over and be sure which end the problem is on and now I'm not sure. Inside the unit it was scorched on the side from one wire touching the side and I have added longer bolts with nuts on both sides so I can tighten the bolt so tight that it leaves no slack in the wire and lifts the plates off the bottom. I have not installed the unit yet again so we will see. Also the only way I found to get a response (a bad one but it was a response) is through click bank. Use your email receipt to email them and they will get things rolling and if no response give you the option of a refund. Hope we can help each other some more. JD GPprotection.


Thank you for your response JD, I have yet to construct a unit and if I do I'm considering expanding it in size to a sufficient degree to allow for the addition of some neutral plates. Also 30 Amps has me concerned as the MK-8 Alt. is rated at 130 Amps and I have been Strongly advised by an auto electric pro I know to NOT exceed I/3 the capacity of the alt.. There's still a little wiggle room at a 30 Amp draw, but one never knows what lurks around the corner ------. With tech support being so poor, I just don't know which way to approach this project. If you have a unit on your bench, have you established how many litres/min your unit is producing? If you have, I'd be grateful if you would share data.
Again, Thanks fir your response.
Best Regards, Lance

Hey Lance,
I can relate to your outlook on the amps but I did skip the 25amp range just out of frustration. Also I looked at Bruce's response and he is totally right on the distilled water only part it just don't apply to me, because that was the second thing I did when I blew another fuse and have run only distilled water since.
I have not run a LPM test but I plan to make the next one MUCH BIGGER! This one does not produce near enough for anything lager than a 2 liter car. So best bet is take the plans you have and multiply it by 3. Let me know but it seems your allot smarter than me I just trusted the plans and know $300 later and a ton of time I say I am only 50% towards my goal of at least 30mpg. If possible I would give you my junk email address and we can communicate much quicker together and post our success here. Thanks JD
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RE: Great News
Bruce Wrote:
Soaked Poncho Wrote:
Bruce Wrote:Hello Everyone,
We just had a ground breaking event at Fuel Saver-MPG. We now have a data base with almost instant access to..
1. Determining whether a vehicle has a wide band or narrow band sensor.
2. How many O2 sensors a vehicle has upstream of the catalytic converter.
3. What configuration of other sensors that a vehicle has that input to the ECU.
4. We can tell you right away now which EFIE can be used on your vehicle.
All of this used to require some involved research in the case of many vehicles but now we can determine it in just a few minutes.
So if any of our customers, or even if you are not a customer, and would like to know what you have or what type EFIE you need just email your make/model/year/engine information to me at support@fuel-saver.org

Bruce

Bruce, Rick (colchiro) sent me. My primary question has to do with the O2 sensors that my vehicle is equipped with and whether or not they are compatable with your EFIE unit(S). I was quite dismayed to find that my sensors were 4 wire units, but perked up a bit when I found that they are Hego sensors. Rick gave me the final boost of encouragement when he told me that they are the heated type and were more than likely compatable; however, he advised that I check with you for the final word. So, here I am with my hat in my hand AND several questions, I hope that you can find the time to answer them.

Vehicle: '98 Lincoln MK-8 LSC, 4.6 litre V-8

1) Your response to "gpprotection" regarding his Towncar may also apply to my vehicle, but, to be certain, I'm compelled to ask if the Hego sensors are, indeed, compatable with your EFIE.

2) I have purchased the Gas4Free plans, however, after several unanswered inquiries to their tech support (no response in two weeks and still counting) and reading similar complaints from SEVERAL of your subscibers, I'm beginning to question whether or not I "picked the right Horse." Additionally, I've read on your forum that many people are having difficulty with blowing fuses (units drawing mass amps) and the units heating up. I've tried to do my homework on my HHO project and noted that the units that seem to be the most successful and efficient integrate neutral plates in their electolyzers and I'm a bit surprised to find that the Gas4Free cells don't call for any neutral plates at all. Should I be looking elsewhere Bruce? If so, where do I look and will your EFIE work with other designs? It seems more than apparent that fuel-savers has a relationship with Gas4Free, so this may be a sensative question, but it is one that begs to be asked. This is a totally new concept to me and I'm sure a host of others, so reliable tech support is an absolute MUST. The promised "48 hr." response time is simply fiction and, in addition to the above issues, this is why I ask.

3) Lastly, I was given the impression that Gas4Free would also provide a parts list and schematics for a EFIE. They list the number of components required, but don't specify what they are, nor do they provide the schematics. I suspect the unit in question is yours, so, with the hope that there is no harm in the asking, my question is whether or not fuel-savers will provide the schematics and parts list? There's no offense intended and I'm not trying do 'dig into your pockets", but I'm quite comfortable with circuitry and was rather looking forward to building my own unit. If it's not in the cards, so be it.

You folks have created a great forum Bruce, I can't imagine any visitor to this site not coming away with useful information. Keep up the good work.
Best Regards, Lance

Hello Lance,
It appears you have 2 O2 sensor(s) (narrow band) upstream of your catalytic converter, so a Dual EFIE would work for you.
In most cases drawing to high an amperage on your HHO generator is due to haing your electrolyte concentration too high to start with. A good way to test is to drain the electrolyte and flush the generator with distilled water. Then refill with pure distilled water to start and turn the system on. If it does not trip the breaker/fuse after it heats up then you are on the right track, then just add electrolyte in very small increments until you get the amperage you desire. If it trips even with distilled water then it is something else then you can look elsewhere.
We do not provide parts lists or schematics of our EFIE's but we do provide wiring diagrams of your vehicles ECU for free on request.
You can purchase (very inexpensive) schematics of EFIE's from Eagle Reasearch. They have a great design.
Bruce


Thank you very much for your reply as well as your candor Bruce. I have yet to construct a cell based on Gas4Free's design or anyone elses. I'm in the "R" stage of R&D and, frankly am extremely anxious to get into the developement stage; however, I have discovered many inconsistancies between designs that are holding things up and are, ostensibly, supposed to meet the same end (ie; different electrolytes, electrolyte volume, neutral plate installation, H2O vapor injection, amp draw, etc.) My bench is waiting, I simply want to head in the right direction when I finally get geared up. I don't know if you have had the chance, but check out alt-nrg.org when you can. The gentleman who runs it goes by the name of ZeroFossilFuel and you can view several of his demos on U-Tube --- fairly impressive and he Definately adheres to scientific methodology and principles. He's not in it for the money, he is, for lack of a better phrase, Eco-Philanthropic --- his ulterior motive is clear: our environment.
Thank you again for your input, Regards, Lance

P.S. I promise to start a new thread next time, this one has become anything but linear, thanks again
10-26-2008 06:09 PM
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