Joined: Oct 2008
RE: Great News
Soaked Poncho Wrote:
Soaked Poncho Wrote:
Bruce Wrote:Hello Everyone,
We just had a ground breaking event at Fuel Saver-MPG. We now have a data base with almost instant access to..
1. Determining whether a vehicle has a wide band or narrow band sensor.
2. How many O2 sensors a vehicle has upstream of the catalytic converter.
3. What configuration of other sensors that a vehicle has that input to the ECU.
4. We can tell you right away now which EFIE can be used on your vehicle.
All of this used to require some involved research in the case of many vehicles but now we can determine it in just a few minutes.
So if any of our customers, or even if you are not a customer, and would like to know what you have or what type EFIE you need just email your make/model/year/engine information to me at email@example.com
Bruce, Rick (colchiro) sent me. My primary question has to do with the O2 sensors that my vehicle is equipped with and whether or not they are compatable with your EFIE unit(S). I was quite dismayed to find that my sensors were 4 wire units, but perked up a bit when I found that they are Hego sensors. Rick gave me the final boost of encouragement when he told me that they are the heated type and were more than likely compatable; however, he advised that I check with you for the final word. So, here I am with my hat in my hand AND several questions, I hope that you can find the time to answer them.
Vehicle: '98 Lincoln MK-8 LSC, 4.6 litre V-8
1) Your response to "gpprotection" regarding his Towncar may also apply to my vehicle, but, to be certain, I'm compelled to ask if the Hego sensors are, indeed, compatable with your EFIE.
2) I have purchased the Gas4Free plans, however, after several unanswered inquiries to their tech support (no response in two weeks and still counting) and reading similar complaints from SEVERAL of your subscibers, I'm beginning to question whether or not I "picked the right Horse." Additionally, I've read on your forum that many people are having difficulty with blowing fuses (units drawing mass amps) and the units heating up. I've tried to do my homework on my HHO project and noted that the units that seem to be the most successful and efficient integrate neutral plates in their electolyzers and I'm a bit surprised to find that the Gas4Free cells don't call for any neutral plates at all. Should I be looking elsewhere Bruce? If so, where do I look and will your EFIE work with other designs? It seems more than apparent that fuel-savers has a relationship with Gas4Free, so this may be a sensative question, but it is one that begs to be asked. This is a totally new concept to me and I'm sure a host of others, so reliable tech support is an absolute MUST. The promised "48 hr." response time is simply fiction and, in addition to the above issues, this is why I ask.
3) Lastly, I was given the impression that Gas4Free would also provide a parts list and schematics for a EFIE. They list the number of components required, but don't specify what they are, nor do they provide the schematics. I suspect the unit in question is yours, so, with the hope that there is no harm in the asking, my question is whether or not fuel-savers will provide the schematics and parts list? There's no offense intended and I'm not trying do 'dig into your pockets", but I'm quite comfortable with circuitry and was rather looking forward to building my own unit. If it's not in the cards, so be it.
You folks have created a great forum Bruce, I can't imagine any visitor to this site not coming away with useful information. Keep up the good work.
Best Regards, Lance
You are right all about the Gass4Free Unit. It did blow many fuses and I found the only one that works is 30amp fuse. Also it did have overheating problems also (I guess thats why we use 1/2in polyurethane close to bullet proof). I removed it last week just to look it over and be sure which end the problem is on and now I'm not sure. Inside the unit it was scorched on the side from one wire touching the side and I have added longer bolts with nuts on both sides so I can tighten the bolt so tight that it leaves no slack in the wire and lifts the plates off the bottom. I have not installed the unit yet again so we will see. Also the only way I found to get a response (a bad one but it was a response) is through click bank. Use your email receipt to email them and they will get things rolling and if no response give you the option of a refund. Hope we can help each other some more. JD GPprotection.
Thank you for your response JD, I have yet to construct a unit and if I do I'm considering expanding it in size to a sufficient degree to allow for the addition of some neutral plates. Also 30 Amps has me concerned as the MK-8 Alt. is rated at 130 Amps and I have been Strongly advised by an auto electric pro I know to NOT exceed I/3 the capacity of the alt.. There's still a little wiggle room at a 30 Amp draw, but one never knows what lurks around the corner ------. With tech support being so poor, I just don't know which way to approach this project. If you have a unit on your bench, have you established how many litres/min your unit is producing? If you have, I'd be grateful if you would share data.
Again, Thanks fir your response.
Best Regards, Lance
I can relate to your outlook on the amps but I did skip the 25amp range just out of frustration. Also I looked at Bruce's response and he is totally right on the distilled water only part it just don't apply to me, because that was the second thing I did when I blew another fuse and have run only distilled water since.
I have not run a LPM test but I plan to make the next one MUCH BIGGER! This one does not produce near enough for anything lager than a 2 liter car. So best bet is take the plans you have and multiply it by 3. Let me know but it seems your allot smarter than me I just trusted the plans and know $300 later and a ton of time I say I am only 50% towards my goal of at least 30mpg. If possible I would give you my junk email address and we can communicate much quicker together and post our success here. Thanks JD
Boy JD, is this ever becoming the thread of threads! I appreciate your confirming Bruce's suggestion regarding the electrolyte, I'm adding it to my ledger as soon as I complete this note. Although I'm flattered by your comment, I don't put much stock in "intelligence" and I question the veracity of your statement --- it's all relative my friend, and if you look at the facts, you
already have a funtioning unit which puts you way ahead of my game. Nuff said on that. As to sharing information with you, I'd be more than glad to do so; I believe, at this point, that I have more to gain from such an arrangement than you, but I'm a firm advocate of the "two heads are better" concept and ultimately, as you have alluded, we'll be sharing whatever information we compile with the rest of "the membership" which adheres to the "common goal" concept of this forum. If you have a "junk" e-mail address that you haven't a problem with publishing JD, then just post it on this thread and we can start the exchange and get to work. If that's a problem, let me know and we can figure out another plan.
Looking forward to working with you, Lance