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Hydrocarbon cracking System
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RE: Hydrocarbon cracking System
Thanks for the encouragement Dan...i think i will explore the exhaust pressure again as the simplest option.
The engine enjoys the HCS when the bubbler jar level gets low, so maybe some extra exhaust pressure will help overcome the stumbling when bubbler is full
07-25-2016 05:40 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbon cracking System
@Fueller
The car simply stutters when the extra fuel goes into it (from the reservoir being overfilled). It also (supposedly) messes up the inside of your copper tubing by coating it with the fuel additives. My car just shut off after a while -since I had mistakenly left the lock-off open, filling the reservoir with fuel while driving.
07-26-2016 07:27 PM
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HCS fluid consumption??
On a car Skoda Fabia SDI we have calculated average consumption of diesel about 5L/100km and 15-18gramm of HCS-fluid (petrol based cleaner). When recalculated it seems the consumption of HCS-fluid in the bubbler is only 0.32% from the fuel consumption. Is that good or bad result, is that usual? Should it not be a bit more? What might be possible reasons for that?
(This post was last modified: 08-02-2016 10:54 PM by fueller.)
08-02-2016 10:58 AM
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RE: HCS fluid consumption??
(08-02-2016 10:58 AM)fueller Wrote:  On a car Skoda Fabia SDI we have calculated average consumption of diesel about 5L/100km and 15-18gramm of HCS-fluid (petrol based cleaner). When recalculated it seems the consumption of HCS-fluid in the bubbler is only 0.32% from the fuel consumption. Is that good or bad result, is that usual? Should it not be a bit more? What might be possible reasons for that?

I guess it depends on what is optimal for your engine. What is your fuel consumption with HCS? and without HCS ?
08-03-2016 05:12 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbon cracking System
I and another modder here have tried the HCS with little to no success.
Have tried the system over a dozen different ways with only spurts of success lasting 10 seconds to one time of over 30 seconds and figured this was the ECU screwing us around for trying to improve mileage. Both of us also had flaking of our copper tubing which would for me clog up the system and would have to be cleaned out every few weeks even though it was not really working. This seemed strange since why would a cleaning be necessary if there is no gas getting into the tubing and it wasnt working anyway.
Well I was working on my exhaust pipe the other day where I had the first cracking tube set up(all other tubes went straight on to the exhaust manifold) and found something disturbing. The copper tubing I had wrapped with fiberglass insulation on the exhaust pipe was completely disintegrated as in all flakes and powder. Looked like crushed charcoal.
Seeing both of us live in the states, I am wondering if the copper here has a different composition seeing both of us had flaking and I have tried a few different kinds of copper tubing.
Anyone else out there in the states had success with the HCS and/or the same problem of the copper breaking down?
This may be why the HCS was a failure for both of us even though I set the system up over a dozen different ways, different kinds and diameters of tubing and even with double bubblers.
09-27-2016 05:30 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbon cracking System
The crumbly copper tubing is not the only thing that seems unique to the USA.
Take a look at this: http://jimstonefreelance.com/50plus.html and before you start howling "off-topic", I know it is (but it puts HCS and other fuel-savers in an interesting context).
Dan.

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10-09-2016 08:29 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbon cracking System
Yes Dan,
Have seen the video with the guy exposing the elites stopping the VW Gulf with 70+ mpg from being bought here.
Big oil owns the car makers and the EPA(and the Rockefellers own big oil. Standard oil started the rest of the chain of Rockefeller owned businesses),
Here is the rant how we are screwed by the EPA puppets of the elites.
I feel his anger. Forced to pay high prices even though we could be getting much better mileage but are prevented by the elite devils.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnlXGvA1Wk

Getting back to HCS.
I am guessing it may be the copper since I have tried HCS over a dozen ways with only spurts of success and nothing more than a minute.
Am going to try HHO now(even though I dont want to) just to get some gains from the rotten chipped vehicles we are forced to use.
Would rather stick with HCS for the simplicity and cost but constant failure with the copper tubes(flaking, clogging, deteriorating) leaves me no other choice.
Dont understand how the original HCS back on the first few pages works since it has limited contact with heat compared to HCS.
Thought HHO Fox was in the US and he seemed to have success with this.
Wonder why the same issues with the copper he seems to be avoiding.
10-10-2016 04:20 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbon cracking System
The first HCS reported in this forum came from Dehari in Indonesia who was marketing an 6mm copper 'catalyst' heat tube with a bar of metal in the middle to force the vapours to the inner surface of the copper tube.
It was clamped alongside the exhaust pipe so the greater part of the tube wasn't in contact at all with the heat source.
However: copper is a great conductor of heat and with a little insulation; most of the vapours became heated to the required temperature (more or less).

My development (the narrower-gauge copper tube coiled around the exhaust) was never meant to be an improvement on Dehari's pioneering technology; only prove a) that there was no true 'catalytic' activity in his commercial heat-tube and b) that the entire HCS kit could be home-made anywhere in the world without recourse to purchasing a specialist part from anyone.

Some experimenters in the US replicated Dehari's idea of a tube with a bar down the middle and there's nothing to stop you doing the same ( apart, perhaps, from sub-standard copper tubing).

Have you tried using another metal for the heat-tube?

Dan.

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(This post was last modified: 10-10-2016 07:55 PM by Edostar.)
10-10-2016 07:20 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbon cracking System
Hello everyone,

It has been really quiet here, but it's good to see new people sharing their experiences again.
Just to clear things up, I do NOT live in the US -I live in the Caribbean. Also, it seems that I miss-calculated last phenomenal results. I double checked, and found that while the results were good, they were not at the level which I thought I had for that single reported run (my spreadsheet got messed up). Sorry about that.
However, the HCS does work, but the issues brought forward about the flaking are real. It is not easy to find the correct type of tubing. Even HHO will work, but it takes a lot more than the average stuff that is advertised. I had very good results with it (HHO) in a non-computerized, carburteted vehicle. I even ran that vehicle on a supplemented gas vapor setup (like HCS) for miles, until it stalled. All that was done while it had a bad engine, so the results were not always constant!
Anyhow, a lot is possible, but the computers mess things up along the way. Sorry, but that's just how it is. Gotta end up settling for less. Right now, my copper tubing needs changing for the mileage to go back up again on my 1.5L OBD1 car.

All the best!
HHO Fox
10-11-2016 04:43 PM
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Post: #2320
RE: Hydrocarbon cracking System
When I was living in the Caribbean, I experimented with HCS on my 125cc Honda bike. Despite momentary success, i too quickly observed flaking and "crudding up" inside the copper tube which rendered the system useless. To the best of my knowledge, the tubing came from American suppliers.
May I suggest another possible cause for this flaking: might it be a reaction between the copper and some of the additives in the gasoline, occurring at temperatures that are maybe too high?
Just my two cents.
Paulo
11-19-2016 07:24 AM
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