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Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
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Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
I was browsing through mpgresearch.com when I found a link to a diy plasma ignition.

The video can be found here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...6742&hl=en

The plans/schematics can be downloaded free here: http://www.skyhero.com/

The inventor (Bill Cozzolino) has put the system on public domain and he says the parts won't cost over $20 to put together (but I guess he presumes everybody has the needed inverter and transformer as these things cost an arm and a leg Big Grin ).

The video demo was awesome but he was running it on a vehicle with a distributor. My car's using a coil pack so idk if it's gonna work on mine Sad

Anyway, check it out as the guy's appealing to everyone to let this gizmo be known to the public asap.
09-14-2008 10:02 AM
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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
boeki Wrote:I was browsing through mpgresearch.com when I found a link to a diy plasma ignition.

The video can be found here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...6742&hl=en

The plans/schematics can be downloaded free here: http://www.skyhero.com/

The inventor (Bill Cozzolino) has put the system on public domain and he says the parts won't cost over $20 to put together (but I guess he presumes everybody has the needed inverter and transformer as these things cost an arm and a leg Big Grin ).

The video demo was awesome but he was running it on a vehicle with a distributor. My car's using a coil pack so idk if it's gonna work on mine Sad

Anyway, check it out as the guy's appealing to everyone to let this gizmo be known to the public asap.

Sure looks interesting, but I didn't "see" the VW run on water; he only said it'll run on one mister but he didn't have time to mess with it. Looks similar to Stan Meyer's dune buggy set up. Does anyone know if a plazma arc can convert water into its components? If it does where's the energy gain: plazma arc converts water to H2 and O2 which burn back to water????? At the end he hinted at "over unity" magnets; lost a bunch of credibility with me when he said that.
09-14-2008 11:15 AM
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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
I'm not after using it to combust water. I'm just wondering what it would do to help for a more complete burn with such a powerful spark.

Anyway, I'll just finish up on my smacks-type booster and oncedone, I think this will be my next project! Big Grin
09-14-2008 04:01 PM
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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
boeki Wrote:I was browsing through mpgresearch.com when I found a link to a diy plasma ignition.

The video can be found here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...6742&hl=en

The plans/schematics can be downloaded free here: http://www.skyhero.com/

The inventor (Bill Cozzolino) has put the system on public domain and he says the parts won't cost over $20 to put together (but I guess he presumes everybody has the needed inverter and transformer as these things cost an arm and a leg Big Grin ).

The video demo was awesome but he was running it on a vehicle with a distributor. My car's using a coil pack so idk if it's gonna work on mine Sad

Anyway, check it out as the guy's appealing to everyone to let this gizmo be known to the public asap.

I was looking at the diagram capacitor/diodes high voltage stack -
I don't think it comes with "NO hole" in the piston warranty
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09-14-2008 04:21 PM
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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
i think ill try this on an old 5.0 ranger i got

Jon-95 F150 Ext Cab 5.0 Automatic 265000 miles 20-25 mpg at 60-65 avg Hwy with 31-10-50's will get 30 on a good day, hho,cts,iat mods o2 extender, advanced timing
09-15-2008 12:03 PM
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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
The analysis of the schematic is that it is a simple way to push a high current arc through the spark plug gap.

The arc is initiated by the ignition coil. Once initiated, the arc has a low voltage across it and has also a negative resistance characteristic. It is easy then for the high voltage DC to sustain the arc for a short time, perhaps until the capacitor discharges. (it's charged 60 times a second by the power supply)

I would like to see waveforms across the capacitor. The transformer has a high reactance at 60Hz and aside from possibly lengthening the DC rectifier's conduction time, it allows the capacitor to recharge each cycle and limits the charging current peak.

The amount of reactance might be somewhat adjustable with a variable resistor placed across the HV secondary of the transformer, but beware high voltages as much as 2KV. The circuit should work as well with a same-KVA rated low voltage transformer, and then a method of controlling the reactance would utilize low-voltage higher current components, safer and easier to get.

It might be interesting to use a full wave bridge rectifier in the power supply but I assume he chose a half wave for a reason.

The video asks how far down the rabbit hole one wishes to go. It's a good question. We've been shown to the rim. I'll wait for more videos and see what interesting results are shown.

He does get a very nice fat arc and did it for <$20, I'll give him that one.
09-18-2008 07:28 PM
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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
HI. I've been reading about a 1978 chevy camaro . The person that did it, says he has put over 30,000 miles on it since conversion using nothing but water. Look up the info on a user named s1r9a9m9. Look it up on [ http://www.hydrogengarage.com ]
or look it up on google search.
It has a carburator with larger jets and retarded spark, stock ign with an inverter and a bunch of relay coils and diodes to make it work.

I gotta try this too.
I have an old 1978 chevy pickup to do it on. It has been sitting idle because of 10 mpg on gas.....if not this , at least hho soon.
JT Jim If anyone cares to see my site http://waterworks4fuel.com/pictures.html , you are welcome

Notes for Bill C. and everyone else too.
ps: I came back after viewing the videos. It looks interesting. Bill C.. If the small coil from a fan motor works, then any coil designed for 120v 60 hz should work for the ballast. I have a couple of old relays that have never been used, [taken out of a hoist motor control when the hoist was converted to work on 230 vac 50/60 hz] should work here. I have 4 of them. The relay function is not needed, but the coil should work great for this. You can see my hho stuff on http://waterworks4fuel.com/pictures.html

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11-04-2008 04:21 AM
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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
I know absulutely nil about this stuff as far as science goes, but I think this is what stanley meyers was on to with his injection system. He just passed the water in through the high voltage plasma spark front in the form of an injector. The injector atomized the water into a mist that was passed right through the arc and into the cylinder causing the transformation and resulting combustion.

He should do some bench testing and see if he can get a water mist to combust when intruduced directly into the arc. If he can, then he would just have to come up with an injection system like Meyers did to take advantage of the plasma arc in the cylinder. If you look at meyer's injector design, it seems to me like that is what he was doing.

My guess is that the way the water is being introduced in the current fuel injection system is either not atomizing it enough or is not directly introducing it to the arc. You don't spray raw fuel directly onto a plug as only the vapors will light, I'm pretty sure it is an indirect thing in a conventional setup. With water, I think it has to be direct or it won't work. I think the key is to force the water directly into the arc like with meyer's injector.

You would need to develop the injection system and electronic controls to properly time the plasma arc and water mist injection, but then it's just fine tuning and spending time figuring out the science behind the plasma generator it to be able to maximize the plasma arc and get the most efficient reaction.

Seems like he has the hard part figured out. The stuff they say can't be done, doesn't work etc. etc. Plasma at low current. Now he can get people who know existing technology to plumb and control the system. People already know that stuff through and through.

Just my feeble minded opinion Smile

-Wes
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11-20-2008 09:35 AM
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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
i'm back again. I'm aiming to build a test circuit as soon as I get the materials. I found the diode that looks like it will work for the plasma circuit.
here is the link to the datasheet pdf file. http://www.nteinc.com/specs/500to599/pdf/nte517.pdf
The diode is rated at 15 kv and surge at 200a momentary and about 500ma cont. I bought 2 diodes at
the price of just over six dollars each. if 16 items [diodes] are needed that is with the tax over $112,00.
So it will have to wait untill some time in January 2009, before I can sucessfully build the whole system for my chevy truck.
The inverter is another 100 bux give or take. Meanwhile I have the two diodes to try.
New parts are not too cheap. not enough for me to get going immediately....
Right now we are going through a snow storm. It's not too easy to work outside right now. 23 deg. f.
Wess: I think you have a an idea about what we were discussing here. I am not sure how to
get the injection sync'ed with the engine timing. What I have is the old 78 chevy v8 in a truck 4x4.
If I can figure out how to make the injectors, That might work, but I don't have a machine shop
or the means to build the electronics to get it done..
Maybe it will have to be like the s1r----- project. simple and straight forward.....I actually have another 350 chevy engine core in my possesion that needs a rebuild. I also have the 4bbl carb for it. and the distributer. I may build an engine stand out in the carport and start experiments as soon as late January. All this stuff needs money
to get done.... I am out of work and retired so the funding is limited....

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RE: Inexpensive DIY Plasma Ignition
JET, here is a link that could cut your price down a little:
http://www.onlinecomponents.com/product/2157683/
they are 4.75 each.
Just trying to help!

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12-21-2008 05:48 AM
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