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My generator has a smoking problem...
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My generator has a smoking problem...
Hey all, 've never had to deal with this before. All my friends don't do it, none of my family does it, but all the sudden my generator picked it up! It's smoking when I turn it on and I don't know exactly what is wrong? I think it might just be heat shrink tubing that's burning/melting, but no matter how many nicotine strips I attach to the shell, it won't stop Tongue ! Any ideas? Here's a video that was supposed to be to show off my new design, but instead it started the smoking thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI98kMIhrrg

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2006 Toyota Solara 2.4L 4cyl.
-Aftermarket (JPP) header
-DNX exhaust
-Injen Short-Ram Intake (SRI)

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07-23-2008 03:41 PM
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RE: My generator has a smoking problem...
I think you're running too much urine concentration for the wire size you have at the top where it got hot.

Got that ammeter yet? Didn't think so.Big Grin

Rick

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07-23-2008 03:51 PM
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RE: My generator has a smoking problem...
Hahaha!! Well someone suggested the urine, so I figured "Why not?" Just kidding.

Yeah, so does the hooking directly up to the battery and not through fuses or any amperage limitation have anything to do with this result? I'm giving up on nifty wrapping ideas and going to try double-layered door screen even though it will be limiting. Some test is better than none! I'm going to the Lowes method if this doesn't work, it's sad to see a waste of stainless. Anyways, he goes nothing! And how can I make that initial connection any better?

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2006 Toyota Solara 2.4L 4cyl.
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-DNX exhaust
-Injen Short-Ram Intake (SRI)

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07-23-2008 04:01 PM
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Attempting to quit smoking?
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Instead of using nicotine patches you really need to take your Generator to a Doctor.

Doc

btw. Please don't hessitate to contact me if I can be of further assistance.
07-23-2008 04:03 PM
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RDKamikaze Wrote:Yeah, so does the hooking directly up to the battery and not through fuses or any amperage limitation have anything to do with this result?

It's very possible if you had a fuse/breaker with a rating to match your wire size on the inside of your cell, you might have blown it.

I think the wire from the cell bolts to your coil is too small.

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07-23-2008 04:18 PM
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RE: My generator has a smoking problem...
Just tested my final attempted design and I gotta say, it went pretty well compared to my old tests! I had very little HHO production, but nothing went wrong! It's an improvement. So what can I do? I need a way to be able to get the water to breathe, but nothing is working!

I just got a new idea. I'm going to have to cut the sheets in certain spaces for this to work, but I hope it works!! I'm going to create a joe cell out of all the sheet I have, making it cylinder and a smaller cylinder inside of it, etc. Wish me luck! Good thing I have plenty of zip ties Tongue .

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-Injen Short-Ram Intake (SRI)

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07-23-2008 06:18 PM
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Think about it.........If you quit smoking You could use the money you save from not buying cigarettes to engineer and build one bad a$$ generator !!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good luck with your new design

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07-23-2008 06:45 PM
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RE: My generator has a smoking problem...
RDKamikaze Wrote:Just tested my final attempted design and I gotta say, it went pretty well compared to my old tests! I had very little HHO production, but nothing went wrong! It's an improvement. So what can I do? I need a way to be able to get the water to breathe, but nothing is working!

I just got a new idea. I'm going to have to cut the sheets in certain spaces for this to work, but I hope it works!! I'm going to create a joe cell out of all the sheet I have, making it cylinder and a smaller cylinder inside of it, etc. Wish me luck! Good thing I have plenty of zip ties Tongue .

Don't smother the surface area too much with your spacing material. The more insulation on the surfaces of the sheets, the smaller the overall surface area available to produce gas. Also, if your spacing material isn't open to the flow of gas you will just trap the gas in the little spaces and it won't go anywhere. This means that the area the plates can actually produce gas is very small. Then amperage can be easily too high for the effective surface area and cause overheating. Bigger plate area = less resistance = cooler operation. But too big = lower amps per sq. in. so can reduce production. I don't think you will have a problem with too big an area with your cell.

Was this your first test? You should always do a test with a multimeter to check for shorts etc before running it (at least on youtube). If you can show people what the problem was on youtube it's better than just showing a failure. But I will give you points for total honesty.
07-23-2008 06:48 PM
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RE: My generator has a smoking problem...
With your power off check for continuity between the anode and cathode. You should have none. Put an ammeter is series with your power source and generators. You should not be drawing more than 20 amps...less than 15 amps should not cause smoking.
07-23-2008 06:59 PM
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RE: My generator has a smoking problem...
Built my cell , redid it a total of 8 times thus far( i feel your pain )..I used this Gutter screen stuff, 3 layers on each side of the cathode(like thick window screen stuff ).I sanded both plates btw that helped alot..I also used pvc to help me roll it Nice and tight. I found if its tight you get better overall gas production.

the design at least for me draws alot of amps, 20 to 18 in tap water. but my tap water is pretty bad here..the cell gets hot on the connection leads.This weekend i am doing the soda goodness and distilled water..I let you know how that goes.

hmm what else mine is half as tall as yours(3" by 50" )..I get about 3/4 lpm or so unconditioned. Spacing about a 1/4 or so. Still need to build my generator.

Oh make sure your connection is tight too as it seems to get hot if its not very tight.
Hope some of this helps.
07-23-2008 07:41 PM
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