(08-28-2011 07:56 AM)rickmay Wrote: This website is screwed up. I have put in attachments, yet it shows I have none. the back button doesn't always work. I just lost everything I wrote you Amos33, and it ticks me off. So this response will be abreviated and may sound curt, but not intended to be.
I don't care about Boyce, as he is on to bigger and better things to fry. Logic tells me that he is correct in saying that there are diminishing returns doing this HHO cell. It seems far more important to do it correctly, and to introduce the HHO in the optimum spot.
There was never any intention on my part to say your video was offensive, and I don't think I did so, anyway. There is so much folly and lies on the internet re HHO, it is laughable, and hard to tell good from bad. The people that don't respond to you probably don't want to talk to you in the first place because that which they are peddling is a lie in the first place. Put your video back online and scrub the advertisement look, as you may be hurting Larry's prospects for sales. If it looks like you an Larry are working together, people might just walk away. You are an honest guy, and I know this is not your intent. Just say that you used Larry's product and that it has done great things for your truck, and that you posted the video because HHO works, and you want everyone to know about it.
My brain tells me that Boyce is correct in saying that you need only so many liters of HHO to maximize MPG. If increasing HHO beyond that decreasing emissions, that is not my intent. Further, any excess HHO only makes the system potentially more dangerous, and it certainly adds to the drain on the horsepower and efficiency when you draw those added amps. In my case, it seems to make more sense to work backwards on this. My Nissan Versa SL is a whole foot taller than my 1983 mercedes, 240D. I have little room under the hood. I was thinking about the area behind my passenger side headlight, as it is on the same side as my air valve. The trouble is, space is limited, and it is only 11-12" tall from body to hood. So much for putting a reservoir 12 inches above the cell. So Larrys 5 plate does what Boyce suggests, and that is probably all I have room for. I still have to figure out the reservoir. Further, if my alternator is only 55 amps at 14v, I don't even want to use 25% of its capacity which is 13-14 amps.
I would also like to point something out to you. You indicated that you are new to this (but far ahead of me), and that your mileage increased from 20 to 30, or whatever it was. BUT, then you also said that you needed to add an EFIE "to maintain" that mileage (see your earlier post). If your computer was working properly, you probably should not have received such a large gain in mileage in the first place. Think about it. If your computer read less emmissions, or whatever, through an O2 sensor, it would have immediately added more fuel, and you would not have received a significant gain in mileage. It could be that your computer is not functioning properly, or your laptop software was misleading you. Have you actually checked your mileage the old fashioned way?
There is something else I do not understand. Why do people have to hide behind a pseudonym on the internet, anyway. I am Rick May, and I am proud of it.
This is getting too long but let me be brief: The ECU (computer) learns from all the sensors it monitors. If I zero it out and try my OxyHydrogen it will run as expected for awhile until the ECU starts adding Fuel because of the diminished hydrocarbons in the output read by the O2 sensors. It's not that I am adding O2 to the mix, it's that with 98% efficiency in the combustion cycle there's almost nothing left but O2. The computer tries to maintain the 14.7:1 air/fuel ratio and will begin to dump more fuel in the combustion chamber. It learns as it goes along so to speak and tries to keep that ratio. If this is confusing it's ok, not sure I understand it perfectly either. But there will come a point when I must add a EFIE to compensate for what the ECU is doing to the A/F mix. If the O2 sensor sends 0.2 to the ECU showing the mix is lean, the EFIE can add 0.25 to that so the computer will read a 0.45 which is just on the rich side and I can continue lean enhancing the fuel with my 2 lpm.
Sorry if I disagree with Mr. Boyce, but I am convinced that I need 2 lpm at constant RPM to see real fuel savings and only when I am in cruise control do i use it.
I made some videos which I will not show using my 2.4 hp electrical power generator that normally burns 20 ml of gasoline in 1.5 minutes but when it add OxyHydrogen at 2 lpm it burns 20 ml of gasoline in 3 minutes thereby extending the run time on the same amount of gasoline and that is where I will concentrate me efforts. I will explore industrial size OxyHydrogen generators for use by farmers, ranchers, construction crews and tool pushers on jackup oil rigs. Since I live in Texas we are all hard hit by drought and high temperatures like 106.5 F today. So I will be leaving the automobile side and concentrate on the other side with stationary equipment that runs at constant RPM like generators, pumps, compressors and irrigation systems.
Perhaps I will relegate the M4 I have built to carbon cleaning the engines of old pickup trucks here in the hottest state in the union. I inject 2 lpm and 40 minutes later the engine internals are clean and nothing coming out of the tailpipe but O2, CO2 and a few drops of water and that old Texas truck is now ready for emissions testing with longer times between oil changes and California Compliant for Emissions Testing. Wish some mechanic would pickup on this aspect of OxyHydrogen...but we'll see.
I am comtemplating using OxyHydrogen to input to a Water from Air machine that normally only works when the humidity is 40% or higher but I must take care that it does not ignite somewhere internally. I don't know yet, but I will think about it for a few months first. I have the machine that does this but it's been too hot for humidity of late. I comtemplate buiding a rough OxyHydrogen generator that can accept water from the creek and generate OxyHydrogen fog to be fed into my Water from Air machine so the famer can have a cool drink of pure water in the heat of the day. I will also use Solar and Wind to power that standalone machine. But...we'll see..
But never forget I am a newbi to HHO and a exVideo maker
and I try to remain anonymous and am curterous to curt responses, at least I try to be.
As to the old fashioned way of filling up and driving then refilling to determine the amount of mpg I am getting, frankly, I cannot afford to do that so I am dependant upon my OBDLink to analyze everthing for me.