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noob looking for first easy but good system
Im wanting to play with it on the bench but use it in my Dodge 5.9l cummins. For my first system I dont want to RND and build from scratch. There are a few Im leaning towards and wanted ya'll opinion.

1) http://www.waterfuelforall.com/

2) http://www.seigrene.com/

3) http://www.hhokitstore.com/m3/Hydroxy.Te..._info.html


I will probably end up running two booster for the truck. Im leaning towards the Waterfuelforall system.

Ideas please.. Thanks
(This post was last modified: 01-19-2009 07:07 AM by racing4funn.)
01-19-2009 07:03 AM
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You'll be much happier with a dry cell since they're much more efficient, so the seigrene appears to me to be the best choice.

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01-19-2009 07:10 AM
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(01-19-2009 07:10 AM)colchiro Wrote:  You'll be much happier with a dry cell since they're much more efficient, so the seigrene appears to me to be the best choice.

The seigrene looks like a nice one. Dry cell is the direction everyone is heading and I was leaning that way until I read two days worth of a pdf talking about the waterfuelforall system about it high quality parts, less likely to leak, and how much cooler it stays.
01-19-2009 07:36 AM
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Yep, dry cell is the way to go (seigrene). Also, his site seems to have more accurate jargon than the others. All though I didn't read it throughly. If I understand the waterfuelforall site, it too is a dry cell but uses tubes inside of tubes but this is not clear. Even so, tube inside of tube is still not as efficient as a square dry cell. Also, He appears to have some knowledge of HHO systems but some of his web info is slightly inaccurate. I would still go with the seigrene.
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01-19-2009 07:42 AM
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If I went with a dry cell system these are the two that get my attention

1) http://www.energybuildersnetwork.com/

2) http://www.seigrene.com/

I think I like the input and out put on the corners of the Seigrene booster over the EBN
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01-19-2009 08:11 AM
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(01-19-2009 08:11 AM)racing4funn Wrote:  If I went with a dry cell system these are the two that get my attention

1) http://www.energybuildersnetwork.com/

2) http://www.seigrene.com/

I think I like the input and out put on the corners of the Seigrene booster over the EBN

If you look at his diesel research page, his cell is modeled after the EBN cell. Looks like he is possibly selling an EBN with his name on it.

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01-19-2009 10:17 AM
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What are the prices on these cells?

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01-19-2009 10:22 AM
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(01-19-2009 10:22 AM)colchiro Wrote:  What are the prices on these cells?

The Siegrene cell only is 21 plates and is $298. They have a kit that has wires, relays, tubing, bubbler, stuff.. $$530

The EBN price for the cell only is $299 and its a 21 plate also
(01-19-2009 10:17 AM)mrbillr Wrote:  
(01-19-2009 08:11 AM)racing4funn Wrote:  If I went with a dry cell system these are the two that get my attention

1) http://www.energybuildersnetwork.com/

2) http://www.seigrene.com/

I think I like the input and out put on the corners of the Seigrene booster over the EBN

If you look at his diesel research page, his cell is modeled after the EBN cell. Looks like he is possibly selling an EBN with his name on it.

Look at who's diesel research page? Got a link?
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(01-19-2009 07:03 AM)racing4funn Wrote:  Im wanting to play with it on the bench but use it in my Dodge 5.9l cummins. For my first system I dont want to RND and build from scratch. There are a few Im leaning towards and wanted ya'll opinion.

1) http://www.waterfuelforall.com/

2) http://www.seigrene.com/

3) http://www.hhokitstore.com/m3/Hydroxy.Te..._info.html


I will probably end up running two booster for the truck. Im leaning towards the Waterfuelforall system.

Ideas please.. Thanks

The Seigrene looks good, but it takes 53 amps to produce 4.5 lpm according to their ebay specs. I'm deathly afraid of fire [got burned in a defoliated jungle fire in Viet Nam; had an HHO generator explode and cause an under hood fire; had a Christmas tree fire{ not that bad; had an extinguisher handy as I always do; but scared the bejeeses out of me}. 53 amps means at least 8 gauge wire, maybe 6 or 4 gauge. I'd rather have 4 generators producing 2 lpm @ 25A per generator. 53 amps is not worth the risk to life limb or property. I know ZFF talks about 50 to 100 amps to get decent production but I don't think he's fought many electrical fires lately. Ask any fireman about an electrical fire: they don't go out no matter what you do until you stop the flow of current.
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(01-19-2009 05:03 PM)thomasbala Wrote:  
(01-19-2009 07:03 AM)racing4funn Wrote:  Im wanting to play with it on the bench but use it in my Dodge 5.9l cummins. For my first system I dont want to RND and build from scratch. There are a few Im leaning towards and wanted ya'll opinion.

1) http://www.waterfuelforall.com/

2) http://www.seigrene.com/

3) http://www.hhokitstore.com/m3/Hydroxy.Te..._info.html


I will probably end up running two booster for the truck. Im leaning towards the Waterfuelforall system.

Ideas please.. Thanks

The Seigrene looks good, but it takes 53 amps to produce 4.5 lpm according to their ebay specs. I'm deathly afraid of fire [got burned in a defoliated jungle fire in Viet Nam; had an HHO generator explode and cause an under hood fire; had a Christmas tree fire{ not that bad; had an extinguisher handy as I always do; but scared the bejeeses out of me}. 53 amps means at least 8 gauge wire, maybe 6 or 4 gauge. I'd rather have 4 generators producing 2 lpm @ 25A per generator. 53 amps is not worth the risk to life limb or property. I know ZFF talks about 50 to 100 amps to get decent production but I don't think he's fought many electrical fires lately. Ask any fireman about an electrical fire: they don't go out no matter what you do until you stop the flow of current.

I wouldnt think I would run it that hard. It also would probably have a heat issue. Im going to run two of whatever..
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