Not a lot of people here running diesel, that's probably why you didn't get much assistance.

colchiro Wrote:Not a lot of people here running diesel, that's probably why you didn't get much assistance.

Thanks for the reply, but I never mentioned diesel, just asked
whats the best kit to buy.

dpater47 Wrote:i believe the reason you get no answer is that every driver is different
and therefor if i tell you i have a hyzor or a smack and i get 40% better mileage and you buy one and only get 5% more you are going to be p_ _ _ _ off and then you find out i have a honda and you have a 383 v8.as you know each person drives different,my wife gets in her van and cannot get much over 14 mpg and i get in ,drive the same route and get 16+ mpg.each system is different and all you can do is research and see what other people are doing with the same type of car or truck you have and test it with the same system they are using.
i have the hyzor on my wifes van and only have tested it in town with
about 3 mpg increase,i will make a road trip shortly and check it and if it does not produce the way i want,i'll try out a smack,which is setting on the bench going thur test.now lets ask you some questions,what type of car do you have?do you have a efie?is your o2 sensor a afr?what size engine do you have?these are all questions you have to answer in order to get some answers.all of us that are building systems have had to go thur the pain of no results,low results an so on but someone on this site will have a answrefor you or direct you to a site that will.good luck and ask the right questions and you will get answers.one more thing,most v8"s really need 2 cells ,so if you answer the questions i ask you will get answers.i went thur the same thing and i am still testing and i am sure others are looking for the perfect system too.

My friend made the smack, cost a lot too make and did not work well at all, if you try it please post your results thanks.
the cost was in him buying the electric wall backing unit from the store.
Just made one now using very thin stainless steel 6 in total, width about 3 and a half inch, height 6 inch, but its not exact science, the total left one is neg then 4 plates in middle with just thin rubber spacers (nothing connected) then on the right the positive wire, using a glass 1 liter jar with Araldite glue to seal the tube and wires, i used a piece or thin rubber to stop the wires fraying on the metal lid, and made a good seal also used plastic tie wrap to hold it all together, it works well producing 1 liter per minute, however when i run the car the fuse blows, will try heavier flex cable, I used caustic soda, this was on the same principle as the smack system, the metal was obtained from a metal shop just scraps cheap.

interat Wrote:it does not cost alot to build but it's a bit large for my one van and my daughters escape but if i get the overheating solved and i will,it will be great for my friend that owns a toyota p/u and a hummer.i'll let you know.

dpater47 Wrote:i believe the reason you get no answer is that every driver is different
and therefor if i tell you i have a hyzor or a smack and i get 40% better mileage and you buy one and only get 5% more you are going to be p_ _ _ _ off and then you find out i have a honda and you have a 383 v8.as you know each person drives different,my wife gets in her van and cannot get much over 14 mpg and i get in ,drive the same route and get 16+ mpg.each system is different and all you can do is research and see what other people are doing with the same type of car or truck you have and test it with the same system they are using.
i have the hyzor on my wifes van and only have tested it in town with
about 3 mpg increase,i will make a road trip shortly and check it and if it does not produce the way i want,i'll try out a smack,which is setting on the bench going thur test.now lets ask you some questions,what type of car do you have?do you have a efie?is your o2 sensor a afr?what size engine do you have?these are all questions you have to answer in order to get some answers.all of us that are building systems have had to go thur the pain of no results,low results an so on but someone on this site will have a answrefor you or direct you to a site that will.good luck and ask the right questions and you will get answers.one more thing,most v8"s really need 2 cells ,so if you answer the questions i ask you will get answers.i went thur the same thing and i am still testing and i am sure others are looking for the perfect system too.

My friend made the smack, cost a lot too make and did not work well at all, if you try it please post your results thanks.

As you can see, by the answers you are recieving, that's a difficult question to answer. Most experimenters have only purchased one kit, or set of plans, then if they are really serious, they expand from that, with their own ideas.

You could do as I did; I purchased the Water4Gas ebooks, and started from there. As soon as I read the instructions, I realized that there was much improvement needed. I increased the length of the windings by about 300% and installed more realistic fittings. I now get excellent production of HHO, and am getting great mpg results.

In essence, what I am saying is; only you can be the judge of which is the best kit for you to purchase.

KEEP THE DREAM GOING!!

we37 Wrote:As you can see, by the answers you are recieving, that's a difficult question to answer. Most experimenters have only purchased one kit, or set of plans, then if they are really serious, they expand from that, with their own ideas.

You could do as I did; I purchased the Water4Gas ebooks, and started from there. As soon as I read the instructions, I realized that there was much improvement needed. I increased the length of the windings by about 300% and installed more realistic fittings. I now get excellent production of HHO, and am getting great mpg results.

In essence, what I am saying is; only you can be the judge of which is the best kit for you to purchase.

KEEP THE DREAM GOING!!

I'm Happy getting more replies this time, in Essen's i don't think (any kit) at a low price works well, even water for gas has very poor results and diy kits posted with instructions don't work well.
I found that the more plates you put in the higher draw on the amps you get so you cant win, it would be nice if someone got it all sorted and posted some pictures of the plate setup for us to see.
many claim great mileage but its only words, don't be offended by this, it would be nice to go a stage further and explain how you did it.

I'm running tests right now, built my own but with the same results as the $180 one I purchased, there is still a problem with overheating and blown fuses, any tips on this issue would be helpful, if i find the perfect answer I will post all my results with pictures.

Please keep this thread open and pop in with any questions or answers, thanks for all the replies to date. Interat.

Mark Blab Wrote:[quote=Mark Blab]
The spiral wound variety is not very productive only because the wires (316 L grade stainless steel) are usually not wound close enough to one another to create the electrical field necessary for HHO production also these units draw much less amps so more units must be used for the system to work. I plan on using 6 of the 16 0z. mason jar type, the wiring scheme are as follows, wire the units in two rows of three in series parallel. The units will use between 6-7 volts and should draw between 6 - 10 amps depending on the electrolyte concentration, they also run a lot cooler than the others on the market making them safer. Oh yeah they are cheap to make, the stainless 316L is fairly expensive though. One other thing you must use is pulse width modulation (from your DC source) with these units or you are wasting time and money, remember don't be afraid to run 4 or 6 units, often times the amount of gas provided by these kits is insufficient to provide the increase in internal combustion efficiency desired and the wires are too far apart for them to produce adequate quantities of HHO gas.

Good Luck,

Mark thanks, could you send me some pictures of your genarator, its hard to figure out in type only. Interat.

Buyer beware - when buying if they dont tell you what LPM,amps, volts, what size plates,how many and how they are set up, what they are made of, past them by. This is just the bare mid's of info you need to know when buying one. What kind did you buy, you might be able to rework it and make it better.

interat Wrote:

we37 Wrote:As you can see, by the answers you are recieving, that's a difficult question to answer. Most experimenters have only purchased one kit, or set of plans, then if they are really serious, they expand from that, with their own ideas.

You could do as I did; I purchased the Water4Gas ebooks, and started from there. As soon as I read the instructions, I realized that there was much improvement needed. I increased the length of the windings by about 300% and installed more realistic fittings. I now get excellent production of HHO, and am getting great mpg results.

In essence, what I am saying is; only you can be the judge of which is the best kit for you to purchase.

KEEP THE DREAM GOING!!

I'm Happy getting more replies this time, in Essen's i don't think (any kit) at a low price works well, even water for gas has very poor results and diy kits posted with instructions don't work well.
I found that the more plates you put in the higher draw on the amps you get so you cant win, it would be nice if someone got it all sorted and posted some pictures of the plate setup for us to see.
many claim great mileage but its only words, don't be offended by this, it would be nice to go a stage further and explain how you did it.

I'm running tests right now, built my own but with the same results as the $180 one I purchased, there is still a problem with overheating and blown fuses, any tips on this issue would be helpful, if i find the perfect answer I will post all my results with pictures.

Please keep this thread open and pop in with any questions or answers, thanks for all the replies to date. Interat.

I FOUND THAT BY DILUTING THE SOLUTION YOU GET LOWER AMPS. THEN AGAIN YOU NEED A COUPLE OF EXTRA BOOSTERS AGAIN. TRY TO CONNECT THEM IN SERIES AND / OR PARRALEL.

deon Wrote:I FOUND THAT BY DILUTING THE SOLUTION YOU GET LOWER AMPS. THEN AGAIN YOU NEED A COUPLE OF EXTRA BOOSTERS AGAIN. TRY TO CONNECT THEM IN SERIES AND / OR PARRALEL.

Why parallel, when series will be several times more efficient?