http://www.fuel-saver.org/ Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:03:01 -0800 MyBB http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-need-new-members-and-ideas-on-new-energy-forum Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:04:13 -0800 hg2 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-need-new-members-and-ideas-on-new-energy-forum
I recently joined a new forum that needs fresh ideas and new members.It's about home efficiency and energy saving mainly with homes.There is an HHO section along with many other home energy saving categories.
Come join up and share your knowledge and make new friends @

http://theswitch.mine.nu/index.php

Thanks and hope to see you there!!!!!!!

HG2]]>
I recently joined a new forum that needs fresh ideas and new members.It's about home efficiency and energy saving mainly with homes.There is an HHO section along with many other home energy saving categories.
Come join up and share your knowledge and make new friends @

http://theswitch.mine.nu/index.php

Thanks and hope to see you there!!!!!!!

HG2]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Build-your-own-Map-Maf-Enhancer-FreePlans Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:16:43 -0800 DC-Hybrids.com http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Build-your-own-Map-Maf-Enhancer-FreePlans Get you free Map/Maf Enhancer plans and part list at DC-Hybrids.com]]> Get you free Map/Maf Enhancer plans and part list at DC-Hybrids.com]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Free-Map-Maf-Enhancer-Plans-Build-your-own Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:11:35 -0800 DC-Hybrids.com http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Free-Map-Maf-Enhancer-Plans-Build-your-own Go to dc-hybrids.com to get plans and part list to build your own map/maf enhancer.]]> Go to dc-hybrids.com to get plans and part list to build your own map/maf enhancer.]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-interior-lighiting Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:43:52 -0800 leeredtree http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-interior-lighiting http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Dry-cell-leaking-what-rubber Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:51:45 -0800 jbalat http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Dry-cell-leaking-what-rubber
I used 3mm Art and craft soft foam sheets but this doesnt seem to have much resilience.

Can anyone recommend a type of rubber that is easy to get hold of ?]]>
I used 3mm Art and craft soft foam sheets but this doesnt seem to have much resilience.

Can anyone recommend a type of rubber that is easy to get hold of ?]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-MMW Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:20:55 -0800 koya1893 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-MMW http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Ok-I-have-done-some-research-Before-I-spend-the-money-Am-I-right Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:45:10 -0800 guynlidia http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Ok-I-have-done-some-research-Before-I-spend-the-money-Am-I-right
i am looking at a dry cell set up. The most complete and also great customer service seems to be Hydroclubusa. This is the link of the kit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...K:MEWAX:IT

I might do a duel cell system depends on the money

He has been answering my newbe questions for the past few weeks. and that with out not getting any money from me.

Then I will add this efie

http://www.fuelsaver-mpg.com/store/index...cts_id=196

and then to be on the safe side I will add a low lever light on the water level so i know when the water reaches halfway since i drive so much.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...K:MEWAX:IT

I will have no prob with the install. I might have a friend help me with the efie

If anyone has insight before i start on my hho journey let me know!!
This is going to be fun.]]>
i am looking at a dry cell set up. The most complete and also great customer service seems to be Hydroclubusa. This is the link of the kit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...K:MEWAX:IT

I might do a duel cell system depends on the money

He has been answering my newbe questions for the past few weeks. and that with out not getting any money from me.

Then I will add this efie

http://www.fuelsaver-mpg.com/store/index...cts_id=196

and then to be on the safe side I will add a low lever light on the water level so i know when the water reaches halfway since i drive so much.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...K:MEWAX:IT

I will have no prob with the install. I might have a friend help me with the efie

If anyone has insight before i start on my hho journey let me know!!
This is going to be fun.]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Dual-EFIE-Deluxe Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:32:32 -0800 Zeek http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Dual-EFIE-Deluxe
$50 shipped priority mail in (ConUSA) PayPal only

Zeek]]>
$50 shipped priority mail in (ConUSA) PayPal only

Zeek]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-AG-Power-Fuel-saver Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:22:13 -0800 globemate http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-AG-Power-Fuel-saver

im selling Dream Tech AG Power Fuel Saver
$19.99
this product works with Gasoline/Diesel/LPG Based vehicles.

for more information
please visit Ebay

]]>

im selling Dream Tech AG Power Fuel Saver
$19.99
this product works with Gasoline/Diesel/LPG Based vehicles.

for more information
please visit Ebay

]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-PWM-Controller Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:45:17 -0800 dwells97504 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-PWM-Controller
http://www.pwmcontroller.com

Daniel Wells]]>
http://www.pwmcontroller.com

Daniel Wells]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Welcome-to-the-For-Sale-forum Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:53:25 -0800 mike http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Welcome-to-the-For-Sale-forum
If you have a question about a particular item, go ahead and post it in the forum. Once you have decided to purchase, you should use email or PM (Personal Message) to exchange address information and payment details. Sellers should be sure that they have PM enabled on their account.]]>
If you have a question about a particular item, go ahead and post it in the forum. Once you have decided to purchase, you should use email or PM (Personal Message) to exchange address information and payment details. Sellers should be sure that they have PM enabled on their account.]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Anyone-need-a-box-for-a-cell-Maybe-zipstor Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:39:15 -0800 staugur http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Anyone-need-a-box-for-a-cell-Maybe-zipstor http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Hydrocarbon-cracking-System Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:50:25 -0800 Aat Yuli http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Hydrocarbon-cracking-System If we process water ( H2O ) to hydrogen , we only get 1 molecul of hydrogen, and we need more power for electricity from engine or battery,
but If we cracking or process Gasoline ( C10H24) we will get 12 molecul of hydrogen, in this system we don't need electricity,
This system is safe because the reactor in vacuum pressure,
so in my opinion better we get hydrogen from gas than water or HHO system,
in my system 800cc using for 200 km another person increase the bubler bottle to 5 liter (for 1000 km), don't worry about this,

The cracking process using a reactor (Catalyc) which heated by exhaust manifold, than rich hydrogen go to intake manifold or throtle body,

thanks
Aat Yuli]]> If we process water ( H2O ) to hydrogen , we only get 1 molecul of hydrogen, and we need more power for electricity from engine or battery,
but If we cracking or process Gasoline ( C10H24) we will get 12 molecul of hydrogen, in this system we don't need electricity,
This system is safe because the reactor in vacuum pressure,
so in my opinion better we get hydrogen from gas than water or HHO system,
in my system 800cc using for 200 km another person increase the bubler bottle to 5 liter (for 1000 km), don't worry about this,

The cracking process using a reactor (Catalyc) which heated by exhaust manifold, than rich hydrogen go to intake manifold or throtle body,

thanks
Aat Yuli]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Ready-made-systems-ECU-remapping Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:37:49 -0800 RSKinghan http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Ready-made-systems-ECU-remapping
I initially found out about HHO after seeing an advert for it in a local health food shop. Ever since then I've been doing research trynig to look for a decent readymade system that doesn't cost the world. I'm Uk based and have found systems ranging from £28 to £600 (dollars is x 1.6). Anyway, as I've done the research I thought I'd list the links to them here so you could have a look, some of them are listings on ebay as well.

I'm very interested in getting a HHO system as my new job requires a fair bit of driving. My car is a Mazda 3 1.6 TS Turbo Diesel 2004. I emailed Mike about an EIFE and he said that it is unlikely I would need one as my car is a diesel. One thing that I was considering was getting my ECU remapped for better performance - apparently this is particularly effective on Turbodiesels and can see increases in HP of around 20 to 60 as well as better MPG Link to a site that does ECU remapping and HHO. Now I was wondering if this would work after I got a HHO fitted i.e. would the different values produced by the engine using the HHO be measured by the computer and would they then be alterable. Also could I use an ECU remapper rather than a MAP?

Anyway, here are the links to the products I have found - Would be interesting to know if any of you have used them or what there quality is.

Homemade £28 on Ebay

Homemade £45 on Ebay

One from Marchlabs on Ebay

£125 on Ebay

£160 - Looks Professional

£195 - Looks V.Professional

Now here a links to websites that area selling kits:

Some are UK based some are US:

UK based, standard kit £65, with Electronics £165

Based on Water4Gas kit charged at $125

Hydro Fuel Solutions $150

UK based Company starting at £189, £330 with DEFIE

My HHO Hybrid Wet cell $250, Dry Cell $400

UK based HHO No Price but High Spec

US based - website not showing products but looks interesting 'patent pending'

B3 Hydrogen Booster Complete kit $570 - They aslo have this piece of Electronic Equipment- http://stores.homestead.com/hydrogengara...Detail.bok

UK Based Company £220 (emailed me the price)

Range of Kits from the US based Lang Brothers new generation kits start at $245

Kit from IHHOI Member 'Dry-cell' $499

I hope I've done a service posting these rather than broken any forum rules. I don't think it is a bad thing to have these all together so they can be compared by people who know what they are talking about.

Cheers,

Rob]]>
I initially found out about HHO after seeing an advert for it in a local health food shop. Ever since then I've been doing research trynig to look for a decent readymade system that doesn't cost the world. I'm Uk based and have found systems ranging from £28 to £600 (dollars is x 1.6). Anyway, as I've done the research I thought I'd list the links to them here so you could have a look, some of them are listings on ebay as well.

I'm very interested in getting a HHO system as my new job requires a fair bit of driving. My car is a Mazda 3 1.6 TS Turbo Diesel 2004. I emailed Mike about an EIFE and he said that it is unlikely I would need one as my car is a diesel. One thing that I was considering was getting my ECU remapped for better performance - apparently this is particularly effective on Turbodiesels and can see increases in HP of around 20 to 60 as well as better MPG Link to a site that does ECU remapping and HHO. Now I was wondering if this would work after I got a HHO fitted i.e. would the different values produced by the engine using the HHO be measured by the computer and would they then be alterable. Also could I use an ECU remapper rather than a MAP?

Anyway, here are the links to the products I have found - Would be interesting to know if any of you have used them or what there quality is.

Homemade £28 on Ebay

Homemade £45 on Ebay

One from Marchlabs on Ebay

£125 on Ebay

£160 - Looks Professional

£195 - Looks V.Professional

Now here a links to websites that area selling kits:

Some are UK based some are US:

UK based, standard kit £65, with Electronics £165

Based on Water4Gas kit charged at $125

Hydro Fuel Solutions $150

UK based Company starting at £189, £330 with DEFIE

My HHO Hybrid Wet cell $250, Dry Cell $400

UK based HHO No Price but High Spec

US based - website not showing products but looks interesting 'patent pending'

B3 Hydrogen Booster Complete kit $570 - They aslo have this piece of Electronic Equipment- http://stores.homestead.com/hydrogengara...Detail.bok

UK Based Company £220 (emailed me the price)

Range of Kits from the US based Lang Brothers new generation kits start at $245

Kit from IHHOI Member 'Dry-cell' $499

I hope I've done a service posting these rather than broken any forum rules. I don't think it is a bad thing to have these all together so they can be compared by people who know what they are talking about.

Cheers,

Rob]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Finnaly-Got-it-Working Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:18:10 -0800 BeaverRat http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Finnaly-Got-it-Working
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CENutKXC_HU]]>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CENutKXC_HU]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-HHO-wet-cell-in-winter Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:01:49 -0800 bb002h http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-HHO-wet-cell-in-winter Looking for results you have used to prevent wet cells from freezing in winter weather. I've seen many posts in the forums, but no good hard answers. (Isopropyl prevents freezing but reduces output & creates vapors, stronger NaOH solution also prevents freezing but draws too many amps, some people have proposed propolyne glycol but I have not read results, etc) A few quick notes:
Can't use plug-in heaters. I often work 24 or 48 hr shifts with the car parked outside, not at home, with no option to plug in. I'm in upstate NY. Similar temps to Chicago.
Please only post what has worked for you, not what you heard works or what you think what might work. (There's enough of those posts already)
Yes, I'm moving toward a dry cell, but for now am using the original wet cell I built last year.
Car is 2007 Honda Fit, Wide Band EFIE on upstream sensor and Analog Narrow Band EFIE on downstream sensor.
PLEASE don't tell me baking soda prevents freezing. If you believe that then there's other threads for you to corrupt.
I'm starting to believe that there is no real good solution (pun acknowledged) to maintain proper output and electrolysis but prevent freezing without external heat applications. Anyone care to prove me wrong?

---

Also, please don't bring up windshield washer fluid. All the different kinds and colors have differing amounts of different additives, and there is no way to maintain a control and get even results. If you want to use isopropyl, just use isopropyl. Don't use washer fluid.]]> Looking for results you have used to prevent wet cells from freezing in winter weather. I've seen many posts in the forums, but no good hard answers. (Isopropyl prevents freezing but reduces output & creates vapors, stronger NaOH solution also prevents freezing but draws too many amps, some people have proposed propolyne glycol but I have not read results, etc) A few quick notes:
Can't use plug-in heaters. I often work 24 or 48 hr shifts with the car parked outside, not at home, with no option to plug in. I'm in upstate NY. Similar temps to Chicago.
Please only post what has worked for you, not what you heard works or what you think what might work. (There's enough of those posts already)
Yes, I'm moving toward a dry cell, but for now am using the original wet cell I built last year.
Car is 2007 Honda Fit, Wide Band EFIE on upstream sensor and Analog Narrow Band EFIE on downstream sensor.
PLEASE don't tell me baking soda prevents freezing. If you believe that then there's other threads for you to corrupt.
I'm starting to believe that there is no real good solution (pun acknowledged) to maintain proper output and electrolysis but prevent freezing without external heat applications. Anyone care to prove me wrong?

---

Also, please don't bring up windshield washer fluid. All the different kinds and colors have differing amounts of different additives, and there is no way to maintain a control and get even results. If you want to use isopropyl, just use isopropyl. Don't use washer fluid.]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-New-Drycell-won-t-pull-much-amps Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:20:16 -0800 BeaverRat http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-New-Drycell-won-t-pull-much-amps Anyway, down to buisness, my dry cell configured as +NNNNN-NNNNN+ can't seam to pull the amount of amps that I am used to. Here is lots of data about the cell.

SS 304 Plates
+NNNNN-NNNNN+
2.25 volts (measured) per gap
3 teaspoons Sodium Hydroxide/half gallon electrolyte
13.8 volts input
1.5 amps current draw.

Is there any particular reason why my cell won't pull very much amps? I am shooting for 15 amps, but no matter what I do I can't get there! Is 3 teaspoons/half gallon not enough electrolyte? If I short it out to +NNN-NNN+ it will pull 11 amps at this e-lite concentration, but I heard that that is not enough neutrals...

Any ideas? Thanks]]> Anyway, down to buisness, my dry cell configured as +NNNNN-NNNNN+ can't seam to pull the amount of amps that I am used to. Here is lots of data about the cell.

SS 304 Plates
+NNNNN-NNNNN+
2.25 volts (measured) per gap
3 teaspoons Sodium Hydroxide/half gallon electrolyte
13.8 volts input
1.5 amps current draw.

Is there any particular reason why my cell won't pull very much amps? I am shooting for 15 amps, but no matter what I do I can't get there! Is 3 teaspoons/half gallon not enough electrolyte? If I short it out to +NNN-NNN+ it will pull 11 amps at this e-lite concentration, but I heard that that is not enough neutrals...

Any ideas? Thanks]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Sellng-my-used-hho-mason-jar-and-efie Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:23:06 -0800 jsherk http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Sellng-my-used-hho-mason-jar-and-efie
It's not that I think hho does not work, it just will be too time consuming and will be too costly for me to actually get it working properly!

You can read my post here from back in May:
http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Suggest...efficiency

I have a 2006 Chrysler Town and Country mini van (fuel injected 3.3L v6), and one thing in particular that I really picked up on when reading thru water4gas manuals and tons of forums posts, is that the mason jar will give almost instant results IF you have an older vehicle without fuel injection. In order to get results from a vehicle with fuel injection, you need to add additional components (like and EFIE) but you also need to produce a LOT more hho for it to be effective (1 liter per minute for every 1 to 2 liters of engine displacement), which means purchasing drycells.

So here are details on why I am giving up:
- My van does not have any room for a mason jar in the engine compartment anywhere, so I had to put it in front of the radiator. This means everytime I need to fill it with water or baking soda, I have to remove the front grill first... not very convenient and too time consuming. And there is no room to add anymore jars up there either, so I can't even add another one if I wanted to. I am not a mechanic, and I am not a vehicle enthusiast, so I just don't have the time to 'play' with my car and I don't really enjoy it anyway.
- After checking my jar to make sure it had no leaks (rubber washer inside lid and all connections thru lid properly sealed, and then also trying hose attached in two different places (tried on air intake after air filter near throttle body, and also tried on vacuum line that had good suction and was closet to throttle body), I found that my O2 sensor readings were only dropping 20 to 30 millivolts. So this means I was producing a little hho, but to start seeing results I need to be seeing probably at least a 200 millivolt drop which means I need about 10 mason jars instead of 1, or a drycell which is too expensive!

So hope that explains my sitution!

If anybody is interested in buying my stuff, PM me (click the PM button below this post) and I get back to you and send you pics as well if you want.

FOR SALE - Used HHO Starter kit with EFIE
-FuelSaver-MPG Single EFIE Deluxe (still looks new)
-Mason Jar HHO (water4gas design with pressure valve & bubbler valve). Jar also includes hose, t-connector, wire and a couple small bungees, and is fully assembled.
Asking $90 for everything (includes shipping in the US)
or separately $65 for EFIE and $35 for Jar with accessories.]]>
It's not that I think hho does not work, it just will be too time consuming and will be too costly for me to actually get it working properly!

You can read my post here from back in May:
http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Suggest...efficiency

I have a 2006 Chrysler Town and Country mini van (fuel injected 3.3L v6), and one thing in particular that I really picked up on when reading thru water4gas manuals and tons of forums posts, is that the mason jar will give almost instant results IF you have an older vehicle without fuel injection. In order to get results from a vehicle with fuel injection, you need to add additional components (like and EFIE) but you also need to produce a LOT more hho for it to be effective (1 liter per minute for every 1 to 2 liters of engine displacement), which means purchasing drycells.

So here are details on why I am giving up:
- My van does not have any room for a mason jar in the engine compartment anywhere, so I had to put it in front of the radiator. This means everytime I need to fill it with water or baking soda, I have to remove the front grill first... not very convenient and too time consuming. And there is no room to add anymore jars up there either, so I can't even add another one if I wanted to. I am not a mechanic, and I am not a vehicle enthusiast, so I just don't have the time to 'play' with my car and I don't really enjoy it anyway.
- After checking my jar to make sure it had no leaks (rubber washer inside lid and all connections thru lid properly sealed, and then also trying hose attached in two different places (tried on air intake after air filter near throttle body, and also tried on vacuum line that had good suction and was closet to throttle body), I found that my O2 sensor readings were only dropping 20 to 30 millivolts. So this means I was producing a little hho, but to start seeing results I need to be seeing probably at least a 200 millivolt drop which means I need about 10 mason jars instead of 1, or a drycell which is too expensive!

So hope that explains my sitution!

If anybody is interested in buying my stuff, PM me (click the PM button below this post) and I get back to you and send you pics as well if you want.

FOR SALE - Used HHO Starter kit with EFIE
-FuelSaver-MPG Single EFIE Deluxe (still looks new)
-Mason Jar HHO (water4gas design with pressure valve & bubbler valve). Jar also includes hose, t-connector, wire and a couple small bungees, and is fully assembled.
Asking $90 for everything (includes shipping in the US)
or separately $65 for EFIE and $35 for Jar with accessories.]]> http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Measuring-HHO-Output--3145 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:04:46 -0800 Kleen George http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Measuring-HHO-Output--3145 http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Mazda-xedos-6 Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:26:41 -0800 milond http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Mazda-xedos-6 Has anyone install a HHO system on a mazda xedos 6, 1992 model?
I think xedos is same as millenium mazda.
Thanks]]> Has anyone install a HHO system on a mazda xedos 6, 1992 model?
I think xedos is same as millenium mazda.
Thanks]]>